M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

Balki, do you have reads currently?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki, do you have reads currently?

Some. I’ll try to make them clear at EON.

[kgray]

This is such a scummy mindset to have. It's out of your control what people do, so why bother trying to affect things? And it formed pretty fast but there was time to voice an opinion, at the very least.

And none of these arguments are convincing when you didn't even try to get people on my wagon, when for a big part of the day it was me (your top scumread) vs Hamilton (your top townread).

Why is not bothering to change things a scummy mindset? Scum need to influence votes too.

Was going to post something similar to what ghug just did.

Not everyone has the same level as influence as others. Damo's style is short and sweet, not built to be a strong argument pusher. In fact, I cannot really recall Damo making strong cases on anyone ever, it's usually something like 'X is scum' and a vote with it.

Okay, I disagree that he doesn't try to influence things, but I think I do agree with your last point about him not making strong cases. My opinion of town!damo is constantly changing reads with little explanation. I'm not seeing any of that here, are you?

[ghug]

Why yoyo and not vash?

Vash a) contributes an iota when he is here instead of trolling, b) voted for teacon, and c) deserves to be held to a much lower standard.

Thanks Flum

You are totally mini Jamie.

[kgray]

@kgray,

I’m getting the impression that you’re looking to catch someone in an inconsistency (e.g., Damo), and you’re calling out inconsistencies as “scummy.”

But townies do inconsistent stuff too. It may actually be that they act inconsistent with their stated reads more.

Let’s agree that Damo had a strong town read of his up for a daykill, and he did nothing to save that person/did not vote to save that person. Is that what you’d expect from Scum!Damo! I feel like Scum!Damo would feel more compelled to act. Scum!Damo is trying to blend in and trying to fabricate a set of protown priorities.

Would you please consider that and respond?

No it's not about inconsistencies. I've seen scum!damo lurking and watching TvT EODs and I've seen town!damo literally yell at people to get them to move to his preferred wagon. I don't know if Hamilton is town but if he is then this is *exactly* what I expect from scum!damo. And if damo is town then I absolutely expected him to care more about the EOD.

I get your point about people wanting to replicate what they'd do as town, or to try to appear towny, but that isn't as convincing to me as what I've actually seen him do as both alignments.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Okay, I disagree that he doesn't try to influence things, but I think I do agree with your last point about him not making strong cases. My opinion of town!damo is constantly changing reads with little explanation. I'm not seeing any of that here, are you?

1. Do you think Town!Damo wildly shifts reads around, while Scum!Damo is more consistent? Do you feel confident in those paradigms? If so, can you talk about why you are confident in using this particular measuring stick to sort Damo’s alignment?

2. Maybe I misunderstood your earlier arguments about Damo. I thought you were saying he was scum for failing to protect someone who he said he read as town. Wouldn’t that reflect the kind of inconsistency that you say characterizes Town!Damo?

[Fluminator]

Well, okay, let's talk about my favorite subject: me! What's my alignment and why? I like to talk about that. Talk about that with me.

I have no idea lol. That's why i wanted you to post more.

Okay. Talk about the evidence of my alignment (either way) that you've seen so far. Or talk about the stuff that you are grappling with and unsure how to sort.

I usually read you by seeing how good you are and how much I agree with your reads. I believe you were genuinely busy, so I'm just watching you in action now. I'll come back to you in a bit I'm sure.

[Fluminator]

I think it's safe to say I'm going to blindly sheep damo without question tomorrow

lmfbo

[Fluminator]

Bozo has been very quiet tonight.

I think I will be voting for Maniac tomorrow but I have not forgotten about Bozo and how dreadful he is. Don't think I've forgotten you, Bozo. I haven't.

What happened to being angry at Yoyo? I'm actually quite angry at him and I'm weirded out your not mentioning it.

Why yoyo and not vash?

Vash contributes an iota when he is here instead of trolling, voted for teacon, and deserves to be held to a much lower standard.

[kgray]

Okay, I disagree that he doesn't try to influence things, but I think I do agree with your last point about him not making strong cases. My opinion of town!damo is constantly changing reads with little explanation. I'm not seeing any of that here, are you?

1. Do you think Town!Damo wildly shifts reads around, while Scum!Damo is more consistent? Do you feel confident in those paradigms? If so, can you talk about why you are confident in using this particular measuring stick to sort Damo’s alignment?

2. Maybe I misunderstood your earlier arguments about Damo. I thought you were saying he was scum for failing to protect someone who he said he read as town. Wouldn’t that reflect the kind of inconsistency that you say characterizes Town!Damo?

1. I think town!damo puts out a bunch of reads and doesn't explain them, yes. But he doesn't hide his opinions. He doesn't worry about inconsistencies, he just says what he's thinking. Scum!damo doesn't share those thoughts, because he doesn't have them, so it certainly comes off as more consistent. And I'm pretty confident in it because I incorrectly scumread him like crazy in my first game for his wildly-shifting reads with no explanation. And then I was scum with him and struggled to justify my townread of him based on it being like that game because I could tell that it wasn't the same. And he was town in M60 and his opinions were all over the place - he voted for me because I had a typo... And in M61 when I was scum with him again it was more of the hesitation. It's really different to me, and I'm really surprised/concerned that HR isn't seeing this too.

2. No. That's not an inconsistency, it's apathy. Inconsistency would be if he suddenly voted for Hamilton over brain. I'd have been less worried about that.

[ghug]

What happened to being angry at Yoyo? I'm actually quite angry at him and I'm weirded out your not mentioning it.

Why yoyo and not vash?

Vash contributes an iota when he is here instead of trolling, voted for teacon, and deserves to be held to a much lower standard.

Thanks Flum

[kgray]

What happened to being angry at Yoyo? I'm actually quite angry at him and I'm weirded out your not mentioning it.

Why yoyo and not vash?

Vash contributes an iota when he is here instead of trolling, voted for teacon, and deserves to be held to a much lower standard.

Thanks ghug

[Fluminator]

Bozo has been very quiet tonight.

I think I will be voting for Maniac tomorrow but I have not forgotten about Bozo and how dreadful he is. Don't think I've forgotten you, Bozo. I haven't.

What happened to being angry at Yoyo? I'm actually quite angry at him and I'm weirded out your not mentioning it.

Why yoyo and not vash?

Unless you're asking why I'm only asking Jamiet Yoyo.
Jamiet was getting irritated at Yoyo saying he needs to die. I would expect Jamiet to be getting angrier as Yoyo has only basically become even more of a tool since last time.
Which makes me think the anger was fake, and it was the only reason I had him as null instead of scum.

[ghug]

Bona, why are you always +1ing things but never talking?

[Hamilton Brian]

HR, turns out I had incorrectly attributed my thinking/quoting. It was Maniac I had pulled the misattribution out from. Anyway...

kgray, less so Neph, but Maniac has been pretty active from page 219 on...digging into posts referring to Bona, Balki and digging into the thinking of damo, ghug. In that case, I am more convinced/swayed by Maniac than Nephthys.

[kgray]

What happened to being angry at Yoyo? I'm actually quite angry at him and I'm weirded out your not mentioning it.

Why yoyo and not vash?

Unless you're asking why I'm only asking Jamiet Yoyo.
Jamiet was getting irritated at Yoyo saying he needs to die. I would expect Jamiet to be getting angrier as Yoyo has only basically become even more of a tool since last time.
Which makes me think the anger was fake, and it was the only reason I had him as null instead of scum.

No that's not what I was asking, but it makes sense. What other reasons do you have to scumread Jamie?

[Hellenic Riot]

I think it's safe to say I'm going to blindly sheep damo without question tomorrow

I'm getting flashbacks to that game where you killed me for fun because you knew we had auto.

I don't remember the game in question, but it sounds like the sort of wholesome inclusionary fun that I'm renowned for

[ghug]

Why yoyo and not vash?

Unless you're asking why I'm only asking Jamiet Yoyo.
Jamiet was getting irritated at Yoyo saying he needs to die. I would expect Jamiet to be getting angrier as Yoyo has only basically become even more of a tool since last time.
Which makes me think the anger was fake, and it was the only reason I had him as null instead of scum.

No that's not what I was asking, but it makes sense. What other reasons do you have to scumread Jamie?

He hasn't called me any horrible names yet.

[Hellenic Riot]

@Flum

I would like to hear how on earth I managed to 'prod you' into asking HB about something I wasn't aware existed

[Vecna]

I think it's safe to say I'm going to blindly sheep damo without question tomorrow