M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Hellenic Riot]

People always say that and I feel like it's a way to justify confbias...

Do they? I felt like he was arguing the point rather than arguing against my scumread - it was odd.

It was nitpicky, but that's what I mean by what I'd expect from Balki regardless of alignment lol

But why is my scumread of him for that EoD the only time he's got involved in any arguments remotely close to being that nitpicky all game?

[Fluminator]

Does anyone have any reasons they're townreading Hamilton that I'm missing?

All I've been given so far is he left the Maniac wagon day 1 onto yoyo putting the Teacon wagon in the lead.

I'm not townreading him at all. I know that in every game I've played with him people scumread him for having seemingly illogical thought processes that they couldn't follow or for not really being able to explain his votes/reads. So that's NAI, but this game it just feels like he's got a different perspective. Less unsure.

He's completely changed his persona after getting sizable suspicion and a somewhat large wagon on him. It really feels like he's lurking it out hoping he survives and doesn't say anything to mess it up.

Town Hamilton would be giving a bit more pushback I think. Back when it was just me and Balki scumreading him and he was in no danger he was annoyed and clapped back, but not anymore for some reason.

[aarodactyl]

Oh, I forgot to mention that I'm slightly leaning town on Worcej and Vecna after reading the first 50 pages.

[Durga]

##vote HB

all the scummy people are protecting this slot anyway

Who? I'm not the biggest fan of everyone on the wagon

[worcej]

##vote worcej

I haven’t done my rereading yet, and to be completely honest, I have no sort of reading in them. I’m voting for two reasons here: 1) I haven’t voted yet and even though I’m planning on posting a lot before EOD, I want to have a placeholder vote and 2) I’m not against voting people because of their behavior.

The underlined portion is NAI and isn't actually helpful.

How about this: Do you think my prior outbursts were scum motivated, town motivated, or it doesn't matter?

[kgray]

this does feel like one of those scenario's where we all stick our heads together and agree (more or less) and nail scum real bad in the last 20-30 mins

Do you feel like that's Balki?

I dont wanna kill him. im way too 50/50 there, and its just too early

I feel like him and Jamiet are the only high profile players atm that are at some risk of pulling one over on us, and im fine with that.

I kind of feel this way too. I'm not getting a lot of townvibes from him but really don't want to miskill him if he is town.

[worcej]

I'm also pretty surprised brain isn't even a wagon, considering Hamilton and I both are.

I have seen brain defend scum players as town often enough that his immediate owning of that fact struck me as genuine and not falsified.

[BunnyGo]

Briefly back. Got what I deserved for sneaking 1 minute while a pan heated up “dad, I pooped a bit in my pants”

I see no questions and a runaway wagon. Will keep trying to check in. Flag me if needed.

[e.m.c^42]

Has EMC ever been town and active before?

Not in recent games which is why I switched off to signing up on subs list. Try...like M55 if you want reference for actually active town game lol.

[Vecna]

Does anyone have any reasons they're townreading Hamilton that I'm missing?

All I've been given so far is he left the Maniac wagon day 1 onto yoyo putting the Teacon wagon in the lead.

I'm not townreading him at all. I know that in every game I've played with him people scumread him for having seemingly illogical thought processes that they couldn't follow or for not really being able to explain his votes/reads. So that's NAI, but this game it just feels like he's got a different perspective. Less unsure.

He's completely changed his persona after getting sizable suspicion and a somewhat large wagon on him. It really feels like he's lurking it out hoping he survives and doesn't say anything to mess it up.

Town Hamilton would be giving a bit more pushback I think. Back when it was just me and Balki scumreading him and he was in no danger he was annoyed and clapped back, but not anymore for some reason.

This is in no way alignment indicative? Anyone changes their behavior when under threat of death. Also, he's talking quite a bit.

Like, I wanna kill the guy, but so many arguments im hearing to do so are just bleeeugh

[aarodactyl]

##vote worcej

I haven’t done my rereading yet, and to be completely honest, I have no sort of reading in them. I’m voting for two reasons here: 1) I haven’t voted yet and even though I’m planning on posting a lot before EOD, I want to have a placeholder vote and 2) I’m not against voting people because of their behavior.

The underlined portion is NAI and isn't actually helpful.

How about this: Do you think my prior outbursts were scum motivated, town motivated, or it doesn't matter?

I didn't really enjoy your role in that argument earlier today. However, after reading half of D1 while being able to tell people apart, I think you're actually leaning town. I still don't appreciate the stuff from earlier though.

[Jamiet99uk]

24.

I was taking a look at the vote changes that occurred since I was away, and I saw this from Maniac:

town pool
Balki
BunnyGo
Celaph
Durga
Flum
Ghug
Hamilton Brian
Kgray

Yes, I’ve reversed my scum leans on players like ghug, Kgray and Durga. Sue me.

It will probably not make any sense that I’m going to vote for ##vote Hamilton Brain. My “logic” is that I’m not super confident in any of my reads, but there are a lot of my town reads voting for HB and a lot of my scum reads voting for his counter wagons.

EEEEEWWWwwwww. I mean, EEEWWWW.

I suspected Maniac before, but listing Hamilton Brian as a townread, and then immediately voting for him because "I'm not confident in my reads", while at the same time hedging both ways and blaming his other townreads for voting HB, as if Maniac isn't responsible for his vote. Almost too scummy.

Also the internal logic in that statement is terrible. If you are so lacking in confidence in your reads, Maniac, that you're willing to vote Hamilton Brian even though you TOWNREAD him, then how can you give the excuse that "oh a lot of my town reads are voting for HB" when you just said you weren't confident in your reads. How can you trust your other townreads to persuade you to vote for your townread Hamilton Brian, if you don't trust your reads?

This is appalling stuff from Maniac and I will ##VOTE MANIAC

Maniac is scum, vote for Maniac today please.

[brainbomb]

##vote hamilton brian

[Vecna]

##vote HB

all the scummy people are protecting this slot anyway

Who? I'm not the biggest fan of everyone on the wagon

Damo
loads of people trying to start new wagons constantly (not all bad mind you)

Im not thrilled either. But I think it has to happen sooner or later regardless.

[brainbomb]

hard veto on a balki elim, especially when he isnt even here to defend himself

[Fluminator]

##vote hamilton brian

what convinced you?

[brainbomb]

##vote hamilton brian

what convinced you?

wagon size

[Hellenic Riot]

Temptation to speedwagon brain is increasing

[President Eden]

DAY2 VOTE COUNT ELEVEN: FLASH BEFORE MY EYES EDITION

Hamilton Brian (9): Nephthys, Balki Bartokomous, celaph, Fluminator, Maniac, Chaqa, Vecna, aarodactyl, brainbomb
Balki Bartokomous (4): bozotheclown, Hellenic Riot, kgray, BunnyGo
kgray (3): worcej, VashtaNeurotic, damo666
Maniac (2): Durga, Jamiet99uk
worcej (1): Yoyoyozo
damo666 (1): e.m.c^42
Nephthys (1): Hamilton Brian
brainbomb (1): ghug

UNVOTE (1): Bonatogether

In 00h30m, it will be time for Hamilton Brian to die at the end of Day 2.

[Fluminator]

Brian, if you come and town up a bit we can speedwagon brain instead.