M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Durga]

Feel free to vote me if you actually think I'm being toxic for telling someone that they're wrong in game lmao. But you won't, because y'all don't actually think that you're just trying to get a rise out of me. I don't expect much from people who took ND's side to begin with but it's ridiculous who you choose and choose not to target.

[kgray]

Town reads:
Vashta (for putting tea two votes ahead of ND)

Scum reads:
Balki (their voting seemed super strange)
Celaph (for their respond to the QT question)
HB (for being in the overlap of two of my lists)
Kgrey (for being in the overlap of the QT thing and for switching voting from tea to ND)

I think you are underestimating how quickly things can change at EOD. Balki did not vote for teacon at a time when it wouldn't matter. One minute left is plenty of times for things to change.

I specifically scumread celaph for Bunny's QT question so it doesn't make sense for you to scumread me for that if you thought it was a coordinated mafia plan to get him towncred.

Why do you think Balki waited until one minute left, though? Also, why do you think Balki was willing to try to start a wagon on BunnyGo when he said he was not caught up, and he had not mentioned BunnyGo previously?

I have also already questioned these things, and obviously I don't know the answer. If he's scum then he probably did it because he was avoiding breaking a tie, or was hoping to start a flashwagon on town!Bunny. If he's town then I don't think I can answer this any better than Balki already did, and I find his response to be reasonably believable.

[worcej]

Okay I was being easy on you because you're new but if you're gonna say ridiculous shit then so be it.

Firstly, you're aware that only scum know the alignments of other players before they flip, right?

Secondly, you're fucking voting for bozo lmao. If Hamilton is scum your vote on bozo is sus. Great scum hunting, right?

Thirdly, people are wrong in this game, a lot. It's not sus. It's not even close to sus to be wrong. Please figure this out before speaking again.

And lastly, you discouraging my vote on Maniac is sus.

I'm fine a bona flip too guys

ND leaves and another fills the toxicity shoe... ironic isn't it?

How is me actually playing this game toxic? Apply your standards to yourself worcej you are far worse than I am. And go back and read the shit ND said if you're gonna compare me to him clearly you didn't read it to begin with.

No, I did read it all and TBH, he wasn't wrong with some of the things he said.

This post above was you being a bitch for no reason other than to be a bitch to a new player. You could've phrased your comment to be waaaaay less rude, but you didn't.

And yeah, I am an ass. I accept it and don't feel bad about it. Call me an ass and I don't blink about it. Call you out for being a bitch, and you freak out.

[Durga]

durga has been in a trust the process game mindset from the get go. there hasnt been any sign of straying from just eliminating annoying people or consensus people by durga. as far as I can tell ghug is step for step with her on that mindset. he hasnt produced any shocking elim ideas

I like this group of posts a lot btw.

Is your sole criterion for liking a post "criticizes Durga"?

It's been like this for all of time, at least he's stopped with the constant bashing, sort of, now it's more just snide remarks, which is far more tolerable.

[worcej]

Feel free to vote me if you actually think I'm being toxic for telling someone that they're wrong in game lmao. But you won't, because y'all don't actually think that you're just trying to get a rise out of me. I don't expect much from people who took ND's side to begin with but it's ridiculous who you choose and choose not to target.

I don't vote you because I don't think you're scum.

Being toxic/bitchy is not scummy. It's just personality.

[worcej]

durga has been in a trust the process game mindset from the get go. there hasnt been any sign of straying from just eliminating annoying people or consensus people by durga. as far as I can tell ghug is step for step with her on that mindset. he hasnt produced any shocking elim ideas

I like this group of posts a lot btw.

Is your sole criterion for liking a post "criticizes Durga"?

Is your sole purpose this game to white knight for her?

[Durga]

Feel free to vote me if you actually think I'm being toxic for telling someone that they're wrong in game lmao. But you won't, because y'all don't actually think that you're just trying to get a rise out of me. I don't expect much from people who took ND's side to begin with but it's ridiculous who you choose and choose not to target.

I don't vote you because I don't think you're scum.

Being toxic/bitchy is not scummy. It's just personality.

Feel free to report me to Eden then, asshole.

[Durga]

I like this group of posts a lot btw.

Is your sole criterion for liking a post "criticizes Durga"?

Is your sole purpose this game to white knight for her?

If your sole purpose in this game to attack me?

[e.m.c^42]

:popcorn:

Where my fellow drama watcher Flum at?

[kgray]

Somewhat torn on this - I think HB's flip will yield information if people willingly act on the information.

I flip town, and if the vote does actually go through and I will flip town, what information does that give you? Does it give you enough to endure the current ratio going from 18 town:5 scum to 16 town:5 scum for Day 3?

If you flip town, which I am leaning towards being the outcome based off your thought progression, then kgray and brain both look worse and the justification/goal for them to make their moves on EOD1 is revealed to me - they wanted hesitant townies to make last minute moves and you were the victim.

Your voters today also look worse for pushing you for their reasoning too, because what I see is a hesitant townie defending themselves by pointing out the scummy behaviors of others. This is a pretty typical defense of a town player trying to help their team not be bad.

And if you're scum, I'll look worse for not wanting to vote you and town-leaning you. But I am okay with that because ultimately I'll be scummed for numerous bad reasons at some point lol...

That this doesn't even make sense. You think I wanted hesitant townies to make the last-minute move to save teacon? And Hamitlon, who cross-posted his vote for ND with mine, fell victim? How does that even exist in the same thought process that is insisting I saved teacon all by myself??

I'm now thinking Hamilton is town and here's worcej setting up my miskill after he flips.

[e.m.c^42]

cba this moment to tinfoil up some scum theatre thing so they will both get incredibly mild townreads for this.

[worcej]

If you're not voting for me because of my vote for ND then what are you voting me for?

Also wtf I already answered you. Getting really sick of people trying to make it look like Durga's buddying me.

(also Durga if you're buddying me, it's working and I'm okay with it)

I already explained why kgray. Seriously, go read my posts. I was explicit enough that it should be obvious it wasn't just your vote for ND at the end.

And it isn't your fault if Durga buddies you, it's hers. Calm down.

You are so patronizing to kgray and you think I'm the toxic one? Laughable. The audacity.

meh, my intended tone was more of annoyance for being asked to repeat myself.

Also, the buddying freak out is weird - if someone buddies you, it isn't your fault.

[Bonatogether]

I think it probably means that HB is scum (or mafia want to portray him as scum), although this might just be my ToS meta knowledge.

I don't understand this thought process - can you elaborate on why you think HB is scum based off this?

In the groups that I have played in before, scum usually cannot avert a daykill altogether, but they prefer to get inactive towns who aren't doing anything, barring an obviously sus person who's not mafia being present. If town votes a scum but doesn't have a lot of evidence (more of a hunch vote), then scum aren't going to vote on that. They'll claim that it's not enough evidence or they'll try and get someone else voted. I'm not sure if that meta applies in this case, but I would think HB is more sus because of it.

kgray has also been slow about picking up votes, but not as slow.

[kgray]

I think the best argument in kgray's favor is that I would expect her to follow through bussing teacon if she were scum.

No it's not, the best argument in my favor is that I'm actually trying to solve this game.

I haven't seen you try to solve much yet...

oh my god

[kgray]

##vote kgray

So you think me defending bozo when he was growing to be a counterwagon to me was acting?

[Durga]

No it's not, the best argument in my favor is that I'm actually trying to solve this game.

I haven't seen you try to solve much yet...

oh my god

It's ok he's actually just a total misogynist lmao

[BunnyGo]

The kgray wagon is bad and not a good wagon.

Why?

Read my assessment of EOD1. Those 15 minutes had so much more information to noise ratio. I’d you’re really the same as me, I think you’ll find the arguments convincing

[worcej]

I flip town, and if the vote does actually go through and I will flip town, what information does that give you? Does it give you enough to endure the current ratio going from 18 town:5 scum to 16 town:5 scum for Day 3?

If you flip town, which I am leaning towards being the outcome based off your thought progression, then kgray and brain both look worse and the justification/goal for them to make their moves on EOD1 is revealed to me - they wanted hesitant townies to make last minute moves and you were the victim.

Your voters today also look worse for pushing you for their reasoning too, because what I see is a hesitant townie defending themselves by pointing out the scummy behaviors of others. This is a pretty typical defense of a town player trying to help their team not be bad.

And if you're scum, I'll look worse for not wanting to vote you and town-leaning you. But I am okay with that because ultimately I'll be scummed for numerous bad reasons at some point lol...

That this doesn't even make sense. You think I wanted hesitant townies to make the last-minute move to save teacon? And Hamitlon, who cross-posted his vote for ND with mine, fell victim? How does that even exist in the same thought process that is insisting I saved teacon all by myself??

I'm now thinking Hamilton is town and here's worcej setting up my miskill after he flips.

Well, let me enlighten you with a repeat of what I've already said: you moved to bunny (for no good reason) to drop teacons vote count down, and then cross posted onto ND again. Hamilton voted via the X-post with you to make ND happen and then no other movement occurred. My take is hamilton is the exact player that would panic vote to prevent a tie, and he did do that with the context he had.

Back to your actions on D1: If your goal, which I believe it was, was to push teacon just hard enough to buy some credit down the road, then you've succeeded because enough people bought it. Your random last second move to Bunny, which in context was you moving from the top wagon to someone with no votes on them before that, and then to ND is just too dumb for me to give you, explicitly you, towncredit for.

Lastly: What miskill am I trying to setup? You - who I strongly believe is scum? Technically not a miskill in my eyes.

[ghug]

I really dont care what you two do. I dont care if youre both scum at this point. but dont cockblock me from just playing how I play

Dude you're married now. I don't think cockblocking is relevant.

You clearly don't understand how marriage works ghug...

Is your wife not loving you why you're so obsessed with Durga?

[worcej]

I haven't seen you try to solve much yet...

oh my god

It's ok he's actually just a total misogynist lmao

Coming from you, I'll take this with a grain of salt.