M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Chaqa]

It has plenty to do with it. Enjoy time with your (limited subset of) your family (who you were already seeing), but don't deny the context.

There is no colonial context to any contemporary Thanksgiving celebrations. Have you ever walked into your Thanksgiving dinner and said "oh boy I sure am glad we killed all those Indians".

Please, spare me the apologist crap. It's a family day.

You exist in the context of your ancestors, Chaqa. You can't erase the past.

My family is Italian (arrived in the 1920s), Pennsylvania Dutch (arrived sometime in the 1800s) and Cherokee. I doubt I have much to feel guilty about there.

[celaph]

There's no agreed upon baseline yet for who is an alive town, and no PR information has come out, so almost every argument is going to be based on a train of thought that is not purely logical - a leap of logic or an assumption made that not everyone agrees upon is necessary to make a case at this stage. Perhaps town arguments rely on less uncertainties, but that's still a hazy line.

So you're saying, given the same information as we have now, if he can nail a scum, you'll change your vote? Wouldn't it be a little late to change your vote if it's revealed that he has, in fact, gotten a scum?

Do you think the same leaps of logic will be present in the defense of a townie and a scum?

My gut reaction is that nailing a scum is a higher bar than I've internally set for HB. I also think my internal bar is defined more nebulously than you've characterized here.

I think that defending town generally requires less leaps in logic, although that's not anywhere near to always the case.

I'm not sure what you mean in this second paragraph. I think some of this is in terms - by nailing a scum I mean finding and voting one out.

I understood what you mean, let me try to express myself in a different way. I agree with your point that requiring HB to nail a scum would be too late to change my vote. To answer the follow-up question of what would it take to get me to change my vote, it's much more "I'll know it when I see it" than "I'll change it if and only if X happens".

[President Eden]

While I concede it's perfectly aligned with the game's flavor, please take the Marxist deconstructions of Thanksgiving to the Politics board.

You're not in trouble, I'm just heading this off at the pass before it becomes a problem.

[damo666]

Been missing for 30 hours. Catching up.

[kgray]

##VOTE aaro

Sorry I think I changed my mind since saying that...

Yeah I figured. If you don't want to vote for any of my people, can you at least convince me to vote for someone feasible? I feel on track to vote for Yoyo, and blegh.

Don't vote for yoyo, he's part of the greatest lakes

I'm fine with Hamilton as a wagon - why don't you want him? I think he's been really scummy lately. His insistence that teacon's "Rodney King" post caused him to townread him and his inability to explain why he's not townreading Balki for that same reason is really suspect to me. He also questioned Flum's scumread of teacon a lot and was overly defensive about it imo (which makes me give Flum lots of townpoints if Hamilton is in fact scum). And his scumreading me when others did for "saving" teacon when his vote for ND was breaking the tie from his POV just seems like he's trying to hang on and encourage a miskill on me instead.

I'm also good with emc or damo, and I know you don't want either of them.

I found the way emc avoided teacon's wagon at EOD yesterday suspicious even before teacon flipped. Now it looks especially bad. The only thing emc said about teacon before I asked him if he'd join that wagon was that he agreed with brain's thoughts about him (where brain was scumreading teacon). And then him saying he preferred ND (no explanation, again) didn't make sense as he'd given no reason to scumread ND either.

Damo is being way too normal and is just sitting back and watching, which I think is his in line with his scum meta. I also don't get why you think he's good enough to keep around even if you scumread him? No offense meant to damo, but he doesn't exactly have a reputation for being a great solver or anything.

##vote emc

[President Eden]

DAY2 VOTE COUNT 5: CONTEMPTUOUS FASCIST SUPERCOMPUTER SILENCING CIVIL REVOLUTIONARY DISCUSSION EDITION

Hamilton Brian (5): Nephthys, Durga, Balki Bartokomous, celaph, Vecna
kgray (4): damo666, Maniac, worcej, VashtaNeurotic
Yoyoyozo (2): Jamiet99uk, Fluminator
e.m.c^42 (2): Hellenic Riot, kgray
Balki Bartokomous (2): bozotheclown, BunnyGo
ghug (1): e.m.c^42
celaph (1): Bonatogether
Bonatogether (1): brainbomb
aarodactyl (1): ghug

UNVOTE (1): Hamilton Brian

NOT VOTING (3): Chaqa, Yoyoyozo, aarodactyl

Currently HAMILTON BRIAN is set to be killed at the end of Day 2.

15h53m remain.

[celaph]

Granted, HB's choice to prioritize finding other scum as his defense could be a play style choice by him. I believe he said so himself. If these efforts lead somewhere, I could be convinced to change my vote. In the mean time, I'm concerned that the lack of follow up on his questions means he isn't getting anywhere.

Can you explain this more? You think he's looking for other scum, besides himself? Do you think he looks like he's scumhunting?

He certainly wants to be seen as scum hunting as opposed to defending his D1 reads/actions. Said as much so here: viewtopic.php?p=194788#p194788. The more pertinent question is whether I find scum hunting HB to be particularly impressive and thus far the answer is no.

If I had to guess HB's scum list it would be you (kgray), followed by Maniac?, Neph?, EMC?, Aaro? I've put the last four with question marks because in an isolated reading of HB they're all mentioned minimally. The sus on you seems to come entirely from your move from teacon to ND which doesn't look great for you, but doesn't strike me as sufficient to justify a vote at this stage.

[Chaqa]

I'm going to ##Vote Jamiet

I think teacon likely parked his vote on a scum teammate. It's a really common Day 1 scum tactic.

[brainbomb]

Waking up, middle of the night. Kgray is a (4). I find this to be the most astounding wagon. What on earth are these guys seeing in kgray?

[ghug]

Would people be more interested in aaro than brain? It seems like brain isn't happening today.

Is this related to saying my vote on D1 was meaningful? I'm pretty sure that's the only comment you've made about me recently.

No I also voted for you and put you in my vote list.

[brainbomb]

##vote kgray

slides off teacon at T-11 and onto ND at T-3

Because of a save effort on Teacon.

o7

[brainbomb]

I havent read anything of D2 yet due to typical weekend low activity and my wife working OT (removes my access to PC and I become primary parent) so don’t shoot the messenger if this has been beat to death. I’ll be better at posting once I am back to work tomorrow (ironic, I know).

Anyways... With the flip of teacon (well done vig) this sheds some light on 3 people on D1 - brainbomb, kgray, and Hamilton. Of the three, this is my general opinion of their EOD.

Brain: I don’t see a logical thought process for why he moved to ND at the end. He came off as towning ND a little bit but near the EOD also was towning teacon. In general, what made teacon more town than ND to brain? Brain said he didn’t want to merc ND for being annoying, but it almost seems like that is exactly what he did.

Kgray: The baseline for voting ND was there based on ND’s ‘attacks’ (lack of a better word right now). I could also see her late push on Bunny as an attempt to justify taking teacon off as the top wagon and then to end up on ND to ensure the miskill happened. It took me going back to 3:30 before EOD before I saw shade directed at Bunny, so her move to him at EOD looks even worse. She also seemed a little defensive to Durga’s comment about Teacon/ND possibly being saved, which is a little interesting in hindsight now.

Hamilton: I don’t see anything really major, just a random last second vote to make ND die for sure. His posts seems to indicate earlier that he is beginning to town teacon, so if that read stuck then he could be in the same boat as brain. Also, Hamilton landing on ND complies with the developing player process that I peg Hamilton as.

That all being said - I am the most suspicious of kgray. I am sure there is a deep explanation of some sort buried in D2 and I will read it eventually, but she has done enough to warrant ##vote kgray

Thinks it was a teacon save

o7

[brainbomb]

##votekgray seems a fine suspicion for now based on the end of Day 1. Vecna seemed to not like the teacon wagon (in fact this lack of support was my main reason voting there) and while brainbomb says he was one of the first people on tecon, he did tie it up with ND late in the day for...reasons?

is so lazy, cant even be bothered to space out names in votes anymore.
thinks kgray is a fine suspicion for now

o7

[brainbomb]

interesting that the three lowest volume posters are the kgray voters

[brainbomb]

As far as I can tell there is only one person that moved off Teacon7 and on to ND and that's Kgray. (She moved from Teacon --> Bunny --> ND)

She has to be accountable for her actions today.

I think Teacon's non involvement at EOD1 was because he were confident that their scum buddies would save him. Kgary's actions could well be a 'saving teacon' move.

##vote Kgray

o7

I see the trend is that kgrays move looks scummiest to players who are uninterested in talking much

[brainbomb]

##Vote kgray

[ghug]

Sorry I think I changed my mind since saying that...

Yeah I figured. If you don't want to vote for any of my people, can you at least convince me to vote for someone feasible? I feel on track to vote for Yoyo, and blegh.

Don't vote for yoyo, he's part of the greatest lakes

I'm fine with Hamilton as a wagon - why don't you want him? I think he's been really scummy lately. His insistence that teacon's "Rodney King" post caused him to townread him and his inability to explain why he's not townreading Balki for that same reason is really suspect to me. He also questioned Flum's scumread of teacon a lot and was overly defensive about it imo (which makes me give Flum lots of townpoints if Hamilton is in fact scum). And his scumreading me when others did for "saving" teacon when his vote for ND was breaking the tie from his POV just seems like he's trying to hang on and encourage a miskill on me instead.

I'm also good with emc or damo, and I know you don't want either of them.

I found the way emc avoided teacon's wagon at EOD yesterday suspicious even before teacon flipped. Now it looks especially bad. The only thing emc said about teacon before I asked him if he'd join that wagon was that he agreed with brain's thoughts about him (where brain was scumreading teacon). And then him saying he preferred ND (no explanation, again) didn't make sense as he'd given no reason to scumread ND either.

Damo is being way too normal and is just sitting back and watching, which I think is his in line with his scum meta. I also don't get why you think he's good enough to keep around even if you scumread him? No offense meant to damo, but he doesn't exactly have a reputation for being a great solver or anything.

##vote emc

I only dislike most of the Lakers. Tom is my liver in the nighttime, for example.

Teacon made a Rodney King post? Eden just told me to stop exposing Chaqa's white fragility, so I probably shouldn't pursue this. HB jumped onto a small wagon to tie teacon for the lead by subtraction yesterday, which makes me think he's less scummy than everyone else thinks.

I think damo is pretty scummy too. He shot me the other game and then caught all my teammates.

[ghug]

##Vote kgray

Lmao

[Fluminator]

The kgray wagon is bad and not a good wagon.

[Fluminator]

##Vote Hamilton

On a reread of his iso I can't figure out why my scumread was temporarily lessened.
Normally I'd feel perterbed that this wagon has just been a consistent force all day without much else happening, but I felt there was a similar apathy d1 with the crazy amount of wagons near the end.

Yoyo please actually play the game you signed up for.