M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[brainbomb]

okay fill the thread with vitriol and let the guy walk free. got it.

[Balki Bartokomous]

you both seem annoyed and theres no reason to even give a shit what im doing just go play your game and ill play mine

For what it’s worth, I have total town vibes from brain this game.

[Bonatogether]

please get out of my way and let me ask bona if he intentionally left vash out of his reads

I didn't leave him out intentionally ffs.

[ghug]

Brain, what did you cook for dinner tonight?

[brainbomb]

We got pizza from godfathers. I had some steaks thawed but im tired of dishes so we take a break sometimes from all the mess

[ghug]

We got pizza from godfathers. I had some steaks thawed but im tired of dishes so we take a break sometimes from all the mess

Fair enough.

I made daal and I cooked my rice in coconut milk instead of water. Badass.

[Durga]

We got pizza from godfathers. I had some steaks thawed but im tired of dishes so we take a break sometimes from all the mess

Fair enough.

I made daal and I cooked my rice in coconut milk instead of water. Badass.

[celaph]

I voted for neither teacon or ND because I was fine with either of them dying. I think this may have been a mistake as there is a strong argument that I should have voted for ND with roughly 3 minutes left.

Why?

I'm not sure what you're asking why to so I'll answer both thoughts.
Why was I fine with either dying?
Despite my earlier townread of ND, his tone and approach were neither enjoyable nor particularly productive. To the point that I was fine letting a town ND go. Most of teacon's actions were NAI for me, but I disliked the vote on Jamie.

Why do I think it may have been a mistake to not vote ND?
I was worried after Balki's vote that someone, particularly ND himself, would tie the vote and I wanted someone to die. I think if I vote ND when the votes are 7 to 5 that the chance of a tie drops a lot.

[ghug]

We got pizza from godfathers. I had some steaks thawed but im tired of dishes so we take a break sometimes from all the mess

Fair enough.

I made daal and I cooked my rice in coconut milk instead of water. Badass.

What did you have for dinner?

[celaph]

Isn't the scum more likely to be organized and moving with a solid direction? They know who's town, and there's a chance that there's a coordinator posting in their QT to keep them acting according to plan. I don't buy this reasoning for a sus on Hamilton.

I agree that emc isn't looking too hot at the moment, but you sus Damo for his maniac vote, even though you also voted maniac d1 and were around at EoD (you posted on page 109, EoD was 110). Why's this?

I would think that town have an easier narrative to fall back to when their reads fall apart. Presumably there were good reasons for their moves and they can work to justify those moves as reasonable given their information despite being wrong. Scum don't have that fall back as their position is built on lies and faulty premises.

Granted, HB's choice to prioritize finding other scum as his defense could be a play style choice by him. I believe he said so himself. If these efforts lead somewhere, I could be convinced to change my vote. In the mean time, I'm concerned that the lack of follow up on his questions means he isn't getting anywhere.

I've seen your second question, but have to step away at the moment. Will respond when I get back on.

There's no agreed upon baseline yet for who is an alive town, and no PR information has come out, so almost every argument is going to be based on a train of thought that is not purely logical - a leap of logic or an assumption made that not everyone agrees upon is necessary to make a case at this stage. Perhaps town arguments rely on less uncertainties, but that's still a hazy line.

So you're saying, given the same information as we have now, if he can nail a scum, you'll change your vote? Wouldn't it be a little late to change your vote if it's revealed that he has, in fact, gotten a scum?

Do you think the same leaps of logic will be present in the defense of a townie and a scum?

My gut reaction is that nailing a scum is a higher bar than I've internally set for HB. I also think my internal bar is defined more nebulously than you've characterized here.

[Bonatogether]

There's no agreed upon baseline yet for who is an alive town, and no PR information has come out, so almost every argument is going to be based on a train of thought that is not purely logical - a leap of logic or an assumption made that not everyone agrees upon is necessary to make a case at this stage. Perhaps town arguments rely on less uncertainties, but that's still a hazy line.

So you're saying, given the same information as we have now, if he can nail a scum, you'll change your vote? Wouldn't it be a little late to change your vote if it's revealed that he has, in fact, gotten a scum?

Do you think the same leaps of logic will be present in the defense of a townie and a scum?

My gut reaction is that nailing a scum is a higher bar than I've internally set for HB. I also think my internal bar is defined more nebulously than you've characterized here.

I think that defending town generally requires less leaps in logic, although that's not anywhere near to always the case.

I'm not sure what you mean in this second paragraph. I think some of this is in terms - by nailing a scum I mean finding and voting one out.

[Nephthys]

Also gonna call Flum and to a lesser extent yoyo as some of the others

Shouldnt you be suspicious about me for coming after you, construing the world to be revolving around a scum neph, all the while doing a decent attempt at swaying people to move off of Teacon at EoD without even voting for ND myself to escape all the VCA warriors?

I've got back and forwards but you aren't currently in my POE

[Hellenic Riot]

@Bona

I notice you've spent a lot of today questioning other people's reads (and a big post looking back at teacon's actions), without actually giving any of your own - aside from voting celaph because he voted without giving reasons. Do you have any townreads? Has teacon's flip affected those? What did your look back at teacon lead you to conclude about other people?

A lot of the change is from teacon's last post, and I put my reasons in my post looking at it (2572/129), although some people have gone up or down on their own.

I townread, in order of strength, top down:
brain; his large EoN posts were solid even if he was wrong about teacon, although I still want to see post 3. Also very active

Kgray; I dislike their being a part of the 3 vote sequence on ND, but I dislike her voters more
damo; teacon called him scum in his EoN post (interestingly the same logic that celaph is using to sus damo)
ghug; is also active, but did the weird thing of refusing to explain why he scumread me in his post, but then turned around and laughed it off
HB: teacon called him scum in his EoN post, but I think him having wrong reads is excusable, if a little sus.

Balki: voted teacon

I scumread, least scum on top:
Vecna: this is more of a null read than anything else, but I don't think too highly of his liking celaph's post where he called maniac sus for not voting when celaph was in the exact same circumstance
Everyone who's not talking: We're multiple days in, and there are 4 people below 20 posts. At least two are lurking scum - probably yoyo and chaqa (yes i know chaqa voted teacon)

Jamie; self imposed low posting, and then not doing a lot with some of his posts.
Maniac: post 2797 doesn't feel legit to me, and he hasn't been talking much
Aaro; apparently has mafia experience but hasn't scumread anyone, and voted one of his townreads (ND)
Nep; was defensive about my comments about them in my earlier reads list even though I didn't say they were sus.

Durga; pushed ND and came into my talk heavily on my side against ghug when he was pulling the "how do you feel' junk
celaph; votes without putting out a read list *or* having many opinions

Why did you say you townread kgray because you hate her voters, and then not scumread a single person who's voting kgray?

[Chaqa]

This is my second post.

I literally hate you. Vig please shoot this one

Whoever thought it was a good idea to start a game on a super-busy holiday weekend is to blame.

[Chaqa]

Although Among Us is also to blame. I don't know how bona has managed to play so much with us and also keep active :/

[ghug]

This is my second post.

I literally hate you. Vig please shoot this one

Whoever thought it was a good idea to start a game on a super-busy holiday weekend is to blame.

Super busy?

[kgray]

So, to summarize my thoughts (mostly for me).

Town pool I won't vote today (below the line is weaker,. otherwise it's alphabetical):
Bunny
Neph
Celaph
Chaqa
Vecna
Bozo
Kgray
emc
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Vash (again I think the teacon vote buys him a day or two, but that's it)
HR (too much respect for HR to strong town him for teacon's death, but signs are good)
Worcej (I liked his push on me, but that's not the hardest thing to fake)
Jamie (I think teacon's flip makes him look marginally worse, but I'm still getting town vibes)
Durga (was higher but she's being useless and teacon defended her)

The following are non-townreads who I don't want to kill yet because they're good (least to most scummy):
Balki
Damo
Flum

The remaining six, in eagerness to vote order:
Bona
Maniac
Brian
Yoyo
Aaro
Brain

Only scum would do town reads alphabetically instead of by strength.

No idea how teacon defended me when he essentially blamed ND's toxic shit on me but go off

It's not even close to alphabetical though?

[Chaqa]

I literally hate you. Vig please shoot this one

Whoever thought it was a good idea to start a game on a super-busy holiday weekend is to blame.

Super busy?

Yes. Thanksgiving is a whole-day thing. Black Friday is the busiest day of the year for my work's systems so I'm on-call most of it. This weekend I had a lot of stuff going on and also it's the weekend we go getour Christmas tree.

[Chaqa]

There's also just a lot more volume of posts to keep up with than normal. 150+ pages on Day 2...

[ghug]

So, to summarize my thoughts (mostly for me).

Town pool I won't vote today (below the line is weaker,. otherwise it's alphabetical):
Bunny
Neph
Celaph
Chaqa
Vecna
Bozo
Kgray
emc
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Vash (again I think the teacon vote buys him a day or two, but that's it)
HR (too much respect for HR to strong town him for teacon's death, but signs are good)
Worcej (I liked his push on me, but that's not the hardest thing to fake)
Jamie (I think teacon's flip makes him look marginally worse, but I'm still getting town vibes)
Durga (was higher but she's being useless and teacon defended her)

The following are non-townreads who I don't want to kill yet because they're good (least to most scummy):
Balki
Damo
Flum

The remaining six, in eagerness to vote order:
Bona
Maniac
Brian
Yoyo
Aaro
Brain

Only scum would do town reads alphabetically instead of by strength.

No idea how teacon defended me when he essentially blamed ND's toxic shit on me but go off

It's not even close to alphabetical though?

Lmao I was wondering when somebody would notice that.