M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

even if nd flip town i think this was a town motivated push

Scum Durga doesn't make this post I don't think

@ghug you have a much better read on her than I do (I don’t have any secret Durga tells, but I still need to ask my mom). Does the fact it was T v S change your opinion?

Yeah, I think it reinforces it. I just read your post where you brought it back up and thought "ooh yeah she town".

[ghug]

I've explained why you are already. You were remarkably rigid on ND as well for an eod.

Vecna is throwing a ton more shade and not townhunting like he normally does. He was around eod and didn't vote on any wagon, just kind of slunk back while there was a town vs. scum wagon.

Balki is hyper focused on people's opinion on himself when last game we were in together he was quite a lot more impressive lol. A little less scummy than you two though because he did end on the right wagon at least, and we were on the same page with Hamilton.

This. This is the flum that I've been looking for.

Interesting point on Vecna, maybe I'm being duped simply by the fact he's continued his post pattern. It's unlike him to not strongly push his agenda, however, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for day1 in a 26 player game.

Ghug might be scum but being rigid on ND isn't the reason I'd pull here.

Ok I'm having the exact opposite reaction to many of Flum's posts, this one included. Explain to me what's good about it.

[President Eden]

5. Hamilton, you just voted for yourself, because you mucked up the quotes. There needs to be as many /quotes at the bottom as [quotes at the top

You wasted a post on that? With over a day to EOD?

1. Fixed the quote tower.

2. The bot picked up the vote, but I wasn't going to count it in my updates as it's very clearly a formatting accident.

Just posting as a reminder that while the bot is VERY good, accidents like this happen, and my/darg's GM Official(TM) Vote Counts are the ultimate resource.

Also, while I am obviously forbidden from giving anyone substantive advice on how to vote, or from giving specific players advice... as a strictly procedural and non-specific recommendation to all players that is totally agnostic of anything happening right now, I suggest checking the bot periodically to ensure your vote is properly tallied there. While I do not rely on the bot for official updates, players rely on the bot for an up-to-date vote count in the downtime between GM updates, and you may be able to reduce confusion by ensuring that the bot is properly tallying your vote.

Uh something something #keepwebdipmafiagreat2020

[Vecna]

"Uncharacteristically"? Have you met a different Ghug than the one I know? He was abusive towards me, and others, for a large part of the last game.

I hope whatever is going on is causing him pain

I mean it is harsh but ghug is obsessed with bo. It's exhausting.

I think its a nastier statement than anything ND has said. Ghug usually restricts himself to redicule bo over ingame stuff and just calling him the worst.

[kgray]

So scum didn't have a day chat, they had a pre-chat, yes? Someone said they had a day chat

This is a weird question. It implies Durga took the downtime when couldn’t post and read the rules finally, but didn’t read the roles. I guess it’s NAI, but starting to feel like she’s laying it on thick.

Why would scum!durga who's been fake townslipping and getting called on it continue to do that?

[ghug]

As far as I can tell there is only one person that moved off Teacon7 and on to ND and that's Kgray. (She moved from Teacon --> Bunny --> ND)

She has to be accountable for her actions today.

I think Teacon's non involvement at EOD1 was because he were confident that their scum buddies would save him. Kgary's actions could well be a 'saving teacon' move.

##vote Kgray

I see no evidence of town!Maniac here. No actual critical thinking on any level. No effort to engage. Kind of sad.

Have you seen evidence of town Maniac in the last two games?

[Jamiet99uk]

Just going back to check on what time I actually checked in.

How are people concluding I was around at EoD exactly again?

6. You were online with 21 minutes to go. Your vote was on Neph. Nobody else was voting for Neph at this time.

So you chose to leave, with 21 minutes left on the clock, with your vote parked on a vanity wagon that was going nowhere.

Why'd you do that, Vecna, old bud?

I was fine with where my vote was

7. Do you mean:

a) You were fine with your vote not having any impact on the result of the day?

b) You thought that somehow other people would flock to Neph while you were gone?

Please could you clarify why you were "fine" leaving your vote parked there on a wagon in which there was little other interest as the deadline approached?

[Bonatogether]

Vote Count 62.2.01 (a more boring form than Eden's)
Yoyoyozo (3): Jamie, celaph,Flum

I'm a couple pages behind, but celaph is voting without putting out any reads? He's put out a few half hearted posts (2709/136, 2726/137) asking why someone is voting the way they are, and not followed up on them - I don't believe anyone ever responded to them, but I might be wrong there.

##vote celaph

[BunnyGo]

So scum didn't have a day chat, they had a pre-chat, yes? Someone said they had a day chat

This is a weird question. It implies Durga took the downtime when couldn’t post and read the rules finally, but didn’t read the roles. I guess it’s NAI, but starting to feel like she’s laying it on thick.

Why would scum!durga who's been fake townslipping and getting called on it continue to do that?

Sometimes if you keep doing, the WIFOM gets people to decide you're honest. Small lies get caught. Big lies get believed. I wouldn't be surprised if Durga is knowledgeable about this philosophy of deception.

[kgray]

I actually like your point, but the conclusion seems wrong.

He started out by throwing softballs to aarodactyl, and then also threw in the other two. He did follow up on it though when they did not respond.

If it was meant as a way to lift them up, do you think they would just ignore it?

Yeah I can definitely see aaro and teacon as teammates.

[Vecna]

I do not get the feeling that the scum gave up on teacon and bussed him heavily, so I think there is scum in kgray, Hamilton, Jamie, and brainbomb. Balki's last minute vote for teacon, damo's late vote for Maniac, and emc's non-vote also do not look that good.

In my opinion, kgray comes out looking most suspicious, for her teacon to BunnyGo to ND vote progression.

##VOTE kgray

This post is awful and smells like classic scum Bozo bad reasoning to find a reason for a vote

What? How is this different from damo's vote, which you seemed to give him towncred for?

I'm not bothered by this post at all, this is exactly what I expect from town!bozo.

Wheres the supporting evidence? his questioning? The bigger picture?

This is just "I scumread, because vote bad"

[ghug]

VOTE COUNT THE ZEROTH: DON'T TAKE IT TOO SERIOUSLY EDITION

celaph (1,000,000,000): brainbomb, 999,999,999 Mysterious Votes From A Very Hungry Guy
Immaterial Quantities of Votes (about a half dozen or so): The rest of you mortals

Currently brainbomb is set to owe an ungodly quantity of Carl's Jr. to an unknown person.

41h35m remain.

Jamie is gonna freak out lmao

2. Jamie found this highly entertaining. It always used to be ND who complained if the GM did anything other than post real Vote Counts and phase end flavour. Oh, but ND's not here, what a shame, how sad, never mind.

And then when ND was GM, he'd reveal what happened at night in his flavor, make ridiculous rulings, and refuse to answer questions about how mechanics work. So sad he's dead...

[Hamilton Brian]

##Unvote

[ghug]

The shroom residue is hanging heavy. Today's going to be slow and plodding, intellectually, from me. Yeah, yeah, I know what those of you have played with me before are thinking.

So the first bit of a look I want to throw out there is the vote on D1. I still say there is something to who was on teacon, then off.

With less than 2 hours to go, Bunny votes Tea. With an hour to go, kgray votes for tea. HR on tea. Under 30 minutes to go, Vashta votes tea. At this point, tea becomes the lead wagon with 5 on. ND has 3. The Teacon wagon really wasn't happening until HR's vote, making it tied with Maniac's wagon at 4 a piece. So Vashta really played a pivotal role in launching a deciding vote on now-confirmed scum.

At 11 minutes, kgray took the vote off Tea and put it on Bunny. Would scum save a partner by making that move with that much time left? What's scummier? Moving the vote much closer to deadline? I don't know.

Chaqa then puts the 5th vote on Tea with 4 minutes remaining. Brainbomb moves to ND to tie it 5 - 5. Balki then takes the vote off of Bunny and put it on quelle surprise me with time remaining. (What was that all about?) Kgray then casts the ultimate deciding vote on ND, pushing them into the lead.

Balki, what were you doing farting around with that vote? If it was to test the market on me, you didn't do a very convincing job of trying to bring others along. I think you addressed it earlier, but I can't be bugged to find it right now. It just stinks.

Ultimately, I would be good with looking at wagons of either kgray or Balki. I am unsure about brainbomb's role in the votes...not sure it looks scummy or not, but it doesn't look great.

I love that there's finally someone else who understands playing this game on the psychedelic comedown, and it's the guy who's basically my father.

[kgray]

But I might be wrong. Regardless, I think killing Balki today is a mistake. If HB were to flip scum for example, all his actions suddenly look pretty damn good.

Do they? If he's bussing Hamilton then there's no way he can back out of that naturally after teacon's flip.

[Fluminator]

Also gonna call Flum and to a lesser extent yoyo as some of the others

Shouldnt you be suspicious about me for coming after you, construing the world to be revolving around a scum neph, all the while doing a decent attempt at swaying people to move off of Teacon at EoD without even voting for ND myself to escape all the VCA warriors?

You're apparently hyper aware of how you looked so why you spooked I sussed you?

[Fluminator]

I read the long exchange between ghug and Balki about me and ghug lol.
I think I need to read it a bit closer when I get a computer.

[ghug]

Your second point here has convinced me to ##vote Hamilton Brian for now. I'd still like Yoyo to talk though.

What's the second point, and why has it convinced you? Christ I can't think right now.

5. Hamilton, you just voted for yourself, because you mucked up the quotes. There needs to be as many /quotes at the bottom as [quotes at the top

Beautiful

[Vecna]

6. You were online with 21 minutes to go. Your vote was on Neph. Nobody else was voting for Neph at this time.

So you chose to leave, with 21 minutes left on the clock, with your vote parked on a vanity wagon that was going nowhere.

Why'd you do that, Vecna, old bud?

I was fine with where my vote was

7. Do you mean:

a) You were fine with your vote not having any impact on the result of the day?

b) You thought that somehow other people would flock to Neph while you were gone?

Please could you clarify why you were "fine" leaving your vote parked there on a wagon in which there was little other interest as the deadline approached?

I had not followed the game for the last 2-3 hours jamiet. I just checked in out of curiosity, but I did not have any time available to partake. Shouldve also kept my mouth shut over the teacon thing and just let shit play out, but I couldnt resist. And I was fine with either a or b since I did not like either wagon.

[Fluminator]

Also gonna call Flum and to a lesser extent yoyo as some of the others

Shouldnt you be suspicious about me for coming after you, construing the world to be revolving around a scum neph, all the while doing a decent attempt at swaying people to move off of Teacon at EoD without even voting for ND myself to escape all the VCA warriors?

You're apparently hyper aware of how you looked so why you spooked I sussed you?

Ironically I'd suspect town you would be much more passionate and efficient at getting votes off teacon compared to whatever you did this game.