M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Jamiet99uk]

Can folks please not vote Yoyo unless they have an alignment indicative reason?

We need to use votes to sort alignments, not to kick out the people we don’t like or who aren’t playing.

Assuming Yoyo continues the trend of <5 votes per day while saying nothing alignment indicative, when do we vote him?

I personally agree with the sentiment that there are other kills we would learn more information from, but I really don't want to let someone slip into the later stages of the game without saying much.

Leave that to the GM.

If we vote for reasons other than sorting alignments, we break the game. The way to find scum is to figure out who is scumhunting and who isn’t. If we all stop scumhunting and play GM instead, then scum will do that too, and it’s going to be very hard to find scum.

4. Okay Balki. I put it to you that Yoyoyozo is not scumhunting. Therefore, on the basis of your own statement here, voting for Yoyo is a valid choice.

If you can provide evidence of Yoyo scumhunting in this game, please go right ahead and do so.

[e.m.c^42]

##vote ghug, need placeholder, he seems okay.

Will prolly be lurking around till later, bit too low energy to post reasonably.

oi, dont make me sheep HR

Well, there is reason, he has been too agreeable and with the flow of the general reads in thread. course, it could be coz he's setting them, but point is still there until I get shit together later and actually read lmao)

In other words at some points it feels like he's hedging almost as much as me, and that is odd since he seems like player who is certain.

[Jamiet99uk]

Using a cop-type role on these lurkers is pretty excellent id say. Having townclears on slots that scum dont want to kill normally is nice.

Your second point here has convinced me to ##vote Hamilton Brian for now. I'd still like Yoyo to talk though.

What's the second point, and why has it convinced you? Christ I can't think right now.
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5. Hamilton, you just voted for yourself, because you mucked up the quotes. There needs to be as many /quotes at the bottom as [quotes at the top

[Jamiet99uk]

You think he's town?

yeah he ia

Just going back to check on what time I actually checked in.

How are people concluding I was around at EoD exactly again?

6. You were online with 21 minutes to go. Your vote was on Neph. Nobody else was voting for Neph at this time.

So you chose to leave, with 21 minutes left on the clock, with your vote parked on a vanity wagon that was going nowhere.

Why'd you do that, Vecna, old bud?

[ghug]

THe closest I can assemble is that ND is disruptive to town, even if town. I feel it's like the game where Gold asserted to kill me since I was such a distraction. I kind of feel it. Null on Maniac. Teacon is town to me. ND?

I don't know what game you're referring to. Gold has been scum a lot lately...Not a great look from Hamilton.

This was the minigame where gold was town, I believe.

[BunnyGo]

Using a cop-type role on these lurkers is pretty excellent id say. Having townclears on slots that scum dont want to kill normally is nice.

Your second point here has convinced me to ##vote Hamilton Brian for now. I'd still like Yoyo to talk though.

What's the second point, and why has it convinced you? Christ I can't think right now.

5. Hamilton, you just voted for yourself, because you mucked up the quotes. There needs to be as many /quotes at the bottom as [quotes at the top
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You wasted a post on that? With over a day to EOD?

[kgray]

Would someone please give me some bullet points on why Maniac, or ND, or teacon is scum?

Hi, I'm Bunny. Did you need any bullet points on me? I think we may have played once ogether before? But I don't think either of us addressed he otheer this game. This is a really bad look for Balki. Scum!Balki follows kgray to a new counter wagon, then when brain slows it down, asks around for other reasons to vote. I don't see the interrogating town!Balki doing that.

Yeah this is a good point, and also your point about how he never mentioned or interacted with you before this.

@Balki why were you okay with starting a Bunny wagon with me? Why not try to get me to move to Hamilton?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Assuming Yoyo continues the trend of <5 votes per day while saying nothing alignment indicative, when do we vote him?

I personally agree with the sentiment that there are other kills we would learn more information from, but I really don't want to let someone slip into the later stages of the game without saying much.

Leave that to the GM.

If we vote for reasons other than sorting alignments, we break the game. The way to find scum is to figure out who is scumhunting and who isn’t. If we all stop scumhunting and play GM instead, then scum will do that too, and it’s going to be very hard to find scum.

4. Okay Balki. I put it to you that Yoyoyozo is not scumhunting. Therefore, on the basis of your own statement here, voting for Yoyo is a valid choice.

If you can provide evidence of Yoyo scumhunting in this game, please go right ahead and do so.

If you are voting Yoyo because you think he is scum, then carry on. I am discouraging people for voting based on anything other than alignments.

The only thing I could say about Yoyo is that he isn’t really playing yet. If you think that makes him the likeliest to flip scum, then make that case.

[ghug]

I don't really like the argument (bo dropped out because he's a terrible person and that's it. I hope whatever is going on is causing him pain.), but it doesn't seem that uncharacteristic for teacon to think it.

This is uncharacteristically harsh

"Uncharacteristically"? Have you met a different Ghug than the one I know? He was abusive towards me, and others, for a large part of the last game.

You're blowing that out of proportion. I trolled you early, and then I told you that you fucking sucked after you drunkenly abused me for a day and then railroaded me to save obvious scum so late that I didn't have time to claim my role.

I reserve this level of scorn for bo, because he is the worst. If you feel I'm being this mean to anybody else, please call me on it..I am trying to be nicer than I used to be.

[kgray]

Kgray, did you feel there was unnaturally much resistance against the Neph wagon/scum case? Compared to HR's EMC case for example.

Hmm. Balki and ghug fought me on that read and I don't think either ever explained why they think he's town. They both just asked me why I thought he was scum and picked at some details of my reasons but ignored my main point that I don't think Neph was trying to figure out about ND's motivations. So yeah, I can see some resistance there, or at least a lack of interest in digging deeper, but I don't know if it's unnatural. The three of them have had too many interactions with each other for me to think it's likely that they're all scum.

Who else do you think resisted the Neph wagon/case?

I asked the question to determine if you also felt brainbombs change and push on ND was timed in a way because he noticed two vocal town players started pushing on Neph.

Its probably just standard brainbomb and im seeing stuff, but it made me feel a certain way. This was also the reason why I thought Teacon was town.

The fact that Teacon flipped scum, and yet amongst all his nonsense non-game related posts he did pick up on the brainbomb thing (which was pretty subbtle).....

You weren't pushing that hard on Neph though? You had vague townreads of him until I voted for him, and then you said I made a good point but didn't really add anything to my scumread of him besides some meta point that you said was confbias.

[kgray]

As far as I can tell there is only one person that moved off Teacon7 and on to ND and that's Kgray. (She moved from Teacon --> Bunny --> ND)

She has to be accountable for her actions today.

I think Teacon's non involvement at EOD1 was because he were confident that their scum buddies would save him. Kgary's actions could well be a 'saving teacon' move.

##vote Kgray

This is the worst thing I've ever read.

[kgray]

This is uncharacteristically harsh

"Uncharacteristically"? Have you met a different Ghug than the one I know? He was abusive towards me, and others, for a large part of the last game.

I hope whatever is going on is causing him pain

I mean it is harsh but ghug is obsessed with bo. It's exhausting.

[kgray]

@Jamie I just realized you +1'd my post asking if anyone wanted a Bunny wagon. Why didn't you join?

I genuinely don't recall that post, when was it?

(I'd check on the bot but the bot is down)

Anyone want Bunny?

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Balki why were you okay with starting a Bunny wagon with me? Why not try to get me to move to Hamilton?

I didn’t have any sort of read on Bunny. I just saw your post asking people to start a Bunny wagon, so I did it. I like late movement, and I felt like it might be useful to see what happens.

I did try to get people to move to Hamilton Brian. Not like a passionate crusade or anything, but I think I made clear that he was my lead scum read.

[Vecna]

yeah he ia

Just going back to check on what time I actually checked in.

How are people concluding I was around at EoD exactly again?

6. You were online with 21 minutes to go. Your vote was on Neph. Nobody else was voting for Neph at this time.

So you chose to leave, with 21 minutes left on the clock, with your vote parked on a vanity wagon that was going nowhere.

Why'd you do that, Vecna, old bud?

I was fine with where my vote was

[President Eden]

What's the second point, and why has it convinced you? Christ I can't think right now.

5. Hamilton, you just voted for yourself, because you mucked up the quotes. There needs to be as many /quotes at the bottom as [quotes at the top

You wasted a post on that? With over a day to EOD?

1. Fixed the quote tower.

2. The bot picked up the vote, but I wasn't going to count it in my updates as it's very clearly a formatting accident.

Just posting as a reminder that while the bot is VERY good, accidents like this happen, and my/darg's GM Official(TM) Vote Counts are the ultimate resource.

[ghug]

Is this how you pronounce it in your head? Or like it rhymes with thug?

It rhymes with thug, but I find that about a third of people read it as ghoog.

What if I read it with double dutch G's?

Huh

[kgray]

I do not get the feeling that the scum gave up on teacon and bussed him heavily, so I think there is scum in kgray, Hamilton, Jamie, and brainbomb. Balki's last minute vote for teacon, damo's late vote for Maniac, and emc's non-vote also do not look that good.

In my opinion, kgray comes out looking most suspicious, for her teacon to BunnyGo to ND vote progression.

##VOTE kgray

This post is awful and smells like classic scum Bozo bad reasoning to find a reason for a vote

What? How is this different from damo's vote, which you seemed to give him towncred for?

I'm not bothered by this post at all, this is exactly what I expect from town!bozo.

[kgray]

I am clearly over-stimulated from my brunchtime coffee.

I shall institute my daily 30-post-limit, after this post.

Please use one of those to explain why you townread me.

[ghug]

Can you tell me about your scum meta?

Do you sincerely think that (a) you have a scum meta that a smart person could identify, and (b) you expect that a smart person would think that you are unable to depart from your meta even though you are apparently aware of it?

That sounds fake.

In short, I look better when I'm scum. I do all the things I'm supposed to do, and I ruffle fewer feathers.

I'm pretty great, but I don't think it's possible to completely replicate my town play as scum, so I largely don't bother. I focus on creating as much confusion and as many miskills as possible, and I rely on the fact that many people see me doing the "right things" and townread me for them. Flum has picked up on this to an extent in the past. He scumread me in my last scum game in part because I was too widely townread.

Getting ND killed yesterday as I did was not good scum play. I legitimately believe it was good for the town, which is part of the reason it's bad scum play, but it's found to be something people remember and look negatively on for the rest of the game. My laying it out like this is enough to make most people ignore the argument entirely, but I'd expect Flum to have arrived at it independently.

Do you feel you have ruffled as many feathers this game as last game? Because thats the main reason im suspicious of you. It is very high on actions that you know people will like.

I maintain that the push on ND cost me political capital. I also spent the entirety of D1 drunk and unable to remember what was going on, which can't have looked good, but I suppose I would have done that regardless.