M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Vecna]

No... If he's town scum won't kill him because he's good for them, and if he's scum they can't kill him. Ergo scum will never kill ND.

Meh, last time he did this as town the scum team unilaterally decided to make the game more positive for everyone and NK him N1. He was some near unkillable doctor role (Jackyl/hyde game) and was just gambiting to attract NK's on himself.

The thing that gives me pause is, why would he think it would work with (insert scumteam size) scum, who is bound to have at least one person with memories from that game.

Its very possible he's just doing a scum gambit as well, since ND is quite a capable scum player. No idea if he'd have the balls to do it since he mustve known that he'd get the irritation of nearly everyone with a playerlist like this.

On a positive note: even after all the gloating in the game I mentioned that his brilliant ploy stopped not one but two NK's, ND was scum's greatest asset and help us push through many many miskills.

Ohh I do remember that.

There was also a game where he was extremely Trumpy and scum, though.

Yeah, this is the game Durga is talking about causing her to think his scum game is weak. We dumpsterred him good that game.

[Vecna]

Here's the thing about town kgray...don't sheep her early reads. I'm 100% with you Vecna, until here.

And why are you shading Kgray's ability on D1? She was one of the driving forces in killing summit D1 in her last towngame, and in the pre-reroll version of the same game she was also a decisive help in killing scum MF D1.

Name some people that have a better record on D1 that I should be sheeping instead? Or offer me a better target instead?

This just seems weird

I for one don’t see any issue with someone sheeping kgray on D1 based on track record.

I do have an issue with you sheeping though - that isn’t normal town!Vecna behavior.

This is said every game, and yet I sheep people every game.

[damo666]

##call gm: how many scum are there

Try reading the set up or refer to your scumchat.

Oh ohogogoohigogogjsvshdv

Did you see it or something?

Not yet.

[Vecna]

Jamie trying to improve by talking less is great. Don't complain.

Do you already have a solid read on the slot? I sure dont

I mentioned that his whole thing about the PMs is somewhat town-indicative.

I like Jamie doing this because it means he's trying to improve his town game after years of garbage. I also learned he's not English, which is really great.

I disagree with this assessment. Forced gimmicks is stuff he does as scum

[bozotheclown]

eh, who am I kidding, I got as far as opening the bot page before lazyness set in

You would not have had to go back far, emc subbed into M59 and M60, games kgray was in.

[worcej]

Vecna has absolutely made statements about sheeping people before. What a non issue.

Balkins, vote ND to save America.

There is a difference between stating you will sheep and actually doing it.

[damo666]

The set up doesn't say how many scum there are. Is it 5?

Well you are either scum or incredibly lazy town.

Either way ##vote Durga

Do you really think that not knowing the number of scum on Day 1 in a game this size means you are “incredibly lazy town,” if town?

I am town. I did not recall how many scum there were or whether the opening post mentioned how many scum there were. How about you?

It's in the opening set up message IN CAPITALS. I remember it from when I read it. It is after all a fundamental piece of game information.

[teacon7]

“I think you're on to something w.r.t vash's meta, but there's problems. Eliminating a lurker D1 is not a productive course of action. Talking about it could be productive, but ultimately you don't get enough info from a D1 lurker kill.”

Maybe so, but that’s my read at the moment. I would say he is less of a lurker and more of someone falling into a specific read that I have had over the course of several years. If there is a better candidate then make your case. As anyone should. If the case is good enough or if the evidence is compelling enough then people will vote. That's the way the game works.

ennh, okay. I get the reaction test bit. I'm glad it's not a policy vote. Even if vash lurking d1 is scum-indicative, it seems like there should be bigger fish to fry toward the end of d1. There's more than one reason someone might be laying low (including but not limited to: scum meta, hung over, food coma, work on black friday, lazy-skimming because it's a massive game). Of course I'd like to see more from low-quantity players - they're actively hurting town in the long run by lurking. Yet at some point we have to admit that, even accounting for ancient scum metas, we get more information ROI by d1'ing a high-poster than a lurker.

fwiw, the new forum has a great quote feature that can link back to the original post. you should check it out.

[ND]

I mean it's true she is incredibly lazy. The vote is definitely valid. Personally I still think she is NAI and we can't really tell unless her play continues down the line. As I mentioned in my longer post. If she keeps voting for people because of "popularity, not reading the game, etc" but now is just as valid as a time as ever to vote her off if you feel strongly about it.

[Vecna]

Frankly Balki, I find it pretty sus that through your 18 posts, 3 were dedicated to my translation post and 1 was a defense of ND.

Are you sheeping Flum, or is it the other way around, and why?

Why do you find that “sus”? What should I be focused on? Do you think my posts are most likely to come from scum? Explain why.

I am not sheeping here. I liked the point that Flum made. I expanded on it. I’m not basing my vote on my confidence in Flum. I am voting my conscience.

Given how I am sort of defending HB, and I made a bunch of similar posts all over page 6-8, how come im not receiving this same level of scrutiny?

[Fluminator]

Everyone and their mother has a secret scum Durga tell they won't reveal.

I mean, he should know - he has been scum with you enough.

I also have a secret Durga scum tell.
So far she's a townread but that can change at a moment's notice.

[worcej]

ND, literally fuck off and get my name out of your mouth. You came in and did nothing but call me trash at every moment, replied to all my posts with negative things to say, replied to EVERYONE ELSE'S posts with negative things about me, all the while I NEVER MENTIONED YOU let alone insulted you. And then when I decided I didn't want to play with someone who I *know* will attack me all game and then claim to be the victim, you cry as if you're the victim.

Youre straight up pathetic. So yeah. My vote is gonna be on you. Deal with it.

I anticipated this response.

[worcej]

@Bozo, what does your white text post mean?

It was to see who would notice the text color.

Welcome back to the game bozo - how was your holiday?

[Durga]

##call gm: how many scum are there

Try reading the set up or refer to your scumchat.

Oh ohogogoohigogogjsvshdv

Did you see it or something?

Ohhh maybe he thinks my scum tell is asking dumb questions because I did that last time as scum. Little does he know..

[damo666]

ND, literally fuck off and get my name out of your mouth. You came in and did nothing but call me trash at every moment, replied to all my posts with negative things to say, replied to EVERYONE ELSE'S posts with negative things about me, all the while I NEVER MENTIONED YOU let alone insulted you. And then when I decided I didn't want to play with someone who I *know* will attack me all game and then claim to be the victim, you cry as if you're the victim.

Youre straight up pathetic. So yeah. My vote is gonna be on you. Deal with it.

I anticipated this response.

hardly makes you psychic!

[ghug]

I'm getting better vibes from kgray this game than last game.

Throughout or more recently?

Mostly more recently, I guess.

I'm finding the extended holiday bender is killing my retention of thoughts more than anything else, so it's hard to know for sure.

[Vecna]

Even better. People defending ND are likely scum motivated. Who doesn't want a person who triggers half the game and might be an easy miskill around (if ND is town)

So....Neph? With demonstrated sub-par logic on some levels

Okay I take back my defence of Neph. I don't know how to read him honestly

How do you feel about brainbombs recent treatment of ND. Standing on the sidelines poking the bear and inciting chaos, or genuine logic resulting in him leaning towards scum?

[Fluminator]

For someone taking most arguments quite literal, I wouldve thought you might have deconstructed this comment as hard as Kgray's argument - and concluded that that post was made on page 6.

Most reactions to it were done quite a bit earlier than the timemark of 63 pages.

What? The response was page 50

Did you read how HB interacted with it on page 7 for like one post and then moved on?

Just curious. Because I thought it was an obvious joke, and your post was really meh. But apparently it sparked interest.

It was a real vote, although HB offense to it strikes me as a more townie response so I'm getting less excited with my vote.
I knew it was a joke, but Balki's post summed up my thoughts pretty well.

[Vecna]

@Flum, over the course of your game, we have the page 57 gem of "Has anything of substance happened yet that I should read?" Subsequent shade thrown on Teacon. Then on page 58 a claim that you don't feel like "tryharding" for this D1.

Then you settle a vote on me. This gets picked up on by Balki, but you never clarified why vote me as D1kill. Why not? What questions have you asked to engage? I get the "tryhard" thing, but come on, put your cards on the table.

better yet, he knew you had made a joke on page 50

[worcej]

7 scum would be 26%
it might be 6 or 7

##call gm: how many scum are there

Okay, pretty sure Durga is town. This is town confusion. And it feels authentic because when she said it, I felt like she was probably right that the opening post did not say how many scum there were.

Disagree with this one unless you think Durga is a player who makes little effort to read the setup information... which would make ND’s opinions less toxic...