M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Jamiet99uk]

So....why did it matter to you to save maniac?

What?

I didn't save Maniac.

I saved myself.

I’m aware. You said the reason was “maniac was going to shoot me”. And you said the reason you didn’t save maniac was “I’d be RBd”. And I’m lost.

You asked me "why not save Maniac?" I was only talking about saving Maniac because you asked me about it. I did not suggest I was ever planning to save Maniac, but since you were asking about it, I also told you why it would have been a bad idea in any case.

And that is why it would have been a bad idea. Because I seriously thought Maniac was going to target me which I was correct about so in that situation protecting him would be a greater risk than just protecting myself.

Like I said, I was only talking about reasons for me not to save Maniac in that situation, and only because you asked me why I didn't save Maniac.

Now can we stop going on about this?

[worcej]

Vote Count:
Chaqa (5) Macca573, damo666, dargorygel, Jamiet99uk, Fluminator
kgray (2) Chaqa, rdrivera2005
rdrivera2005 (1) kgray
Macca573 (1) BunnyGo

1:45 left of D6.

[Jamiet99uk]

Does anyone else notice that we are less than two hours from the end of a phase which could end the game, and suddenly BunnyGo is tunnelling on me?

Me, a completely non-viable wagon at this point in time. Seriously.

Is anyone going to take a gamble that I am such obvious scum that as town you'd be willing to risk ending the game by hanging me right now? No. Nobody in their right mind is going to do that.

So, Bunny, save all this furious energy that you're currently directing at me. Help ensure town finds and votes out the most viable scum today, and if we do that, you can interrogate me further tomorrow. Ok?

Because right now you're actively distracting town from making a very importance choice.

Am I? I see sooooooooi much hunting happening while I’m gone. Look at all the posts!

In all seriousness, I’ve made my case. Others are WIFOMing out of their puny minds about Chaq. And you’re reacting like a scum who is furious at getting caught for what you think are dumb reasons when you’re really close to winning.

I’m not voting you. But every post you have makes me think I should.

I'm town though.

Bet you I am.

[BunnyGo]

I'm going to go and listen to the football and I'll be back in half an hour or so. Bunny, take a chill pill.

Hmm. Which football?

And sure. I’ll take it with half a glass of water. Use half a glass of water for all your pill taking needs.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok Bunny while I go out, can you tell everyone again why you think Macca is the best and most viable scum wagon today?

See you soon.

[rdrivera2005]

Does anyone else notice that we are less than two hours from the end of a phase which could end the game, and suddenly BunnyGo is tunnelling on me?

Me, a completely non-viable wagon at this point in time. Seriously.

Is anyone going to take a gamble that I am such obvious scum that as town you'd be willing to risk ending the game by hanging me right now? No. Nobody in their right mind is going to do that.

So, Bunny, save all this furious energy that you're currently directing at me. Help ensure town finds and votes out the most viable scum today, and if we do that, you can interrogate me further tomorrow. Ok?

Because right now you're actively distracting town from making a very importance choice.

That's a good point. I think we need to consolidate with some time for EOD and I don't think pushing new wagons is a good choice.

If we don't lose today we have finally some info on the scumteam to start with.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm going to go and listen to the football and I'll be back in half an hour or so. Bunny, take a chill pill.

Hmm. Which football?

And sure. I’ll take it with half a glass of water. Use half a glass of water for all your pill taking needs.

Scotland vs Serbia.

[dargorygel]

To finish my thought: the only explanation for them not taking FV is that they did something with more expensive roles and likely a white flag. Whether it's one or both Healers, or both Trackers, or UB/vanilla/FH, IDK yet. And the recruit is a certainty given Double Vote and Vengeful were both town.

Unless you, a good scum-hider, were recruited without regard/knowledge of your role.

That's a reasonable thought, but if I was recruited, what roles did the scumteam buy?

I don't know.
The range is not really 'findable.'
That is why I am leaning more on 'reads' than on 'mechanics.'
I still wonder if they didn't buy ANY... but let the random protect them. (I wrote about that earlier. The idea was bashed.)
But even ASIDE from that, at the end, we are guessing. And choices based on guessing are not much (if at all) any more useful than our reads.

But at any rate... you brought up the 'role choice' of stump to persuade me that you are town. My answer is that you as scum COULD be in the scumranks by recruitment, not by choice of roll.

I gotta get back to work.

Sorry, chaqa... I am staying here for now. I don't know what ideas people have in the next hour and a half. But my wifom leads me back to you at this point.

[kgray]

Does anyone else notice that we are less than two hours from the end of a phase which could end the game, and suddenly BunnyGo is tunnelling on me?

Me, a completely non-viable wagon at this point in time. Seriously.

Is anyone going to take a gamble that I am such obvious scum that as town you'd be willing to risk ending the game by hanging me right now? No. Nobody in their right mind is going to do that.

So, Bunny, save all this furious energy that you're currently directing at me. Help ensure town finds and votes out the most viable scum today, and if we do that, you can interrogate me further tomorrow. Ok?

Because right now you're actively distracting town from making a very importance choice.

Am I? I see sooooooooi much hunting happening while I’m gone. Look at all the posts!

In all seriousness, I’ve made my case. Others are WIFOMing out of their puny minds about Chaq. And you’re reacting like a scum who is furious at getting caught for what you think are dumb reasons when you’re really close to winning.

I’m not voting you. But every post you have makes me think I should.

If you want to hunt, you could acknowledge my Rivera case and tell me what you think about it. I'm especially interested in your thoughts because tbh I hated your Rivera ISO.

[kgray]

Does anyone else notice that we are less than two hours from the end of a phase which could end the game, and suddenly BunnyGo is tunnelling on me?

Me, a completely non-viable wagon at this point in time. Seriously.

Is anyone going to take a gamble that I am such obvious scum that as town you'd be willing to risk ending the game by hanging me right now? No. Nobody in their right mind is going to do that.

So, Bunny, save all this furious energy that you're currently directing at me. Help ensure town finds and votes out the most viable scum today, and if we do that, you can interrogate me further tomorrow. Ok?

Because right now you're actively distracting town from making a very importance choice.

That's a good point. I think we need to consolidate with some time for EOD and I don't think pushing new wagons is a good choice.

If we don't lose today we have finally some info on the scumteam to start with.

Do you think we should all just get on Chaqa now and call it a day?

[rdrivera2005]

Unless you, a good scum-hider, were recruited without regard/knowledge of your role.

That's a reasonable thought, but if I was recruited, what roles did the scumteam buy?

I don't know.
The range is not really 'findable.'
That is why I am leaning more on 'reads' than on 'mechanics.'
I still wonder if they didn't buy ANY... but let the random protect them. (I wrote about that earlier. The idea was bashed.)
But even ASIDE from that, at the end, we are guessing. And choices based on guessing are not much (if at all) any more useful than our reads.

But at any rate... you brought up the 'role choice' of stump to persuade me that you are town. My answer is that you as scum COULD be in the scumranks by recruitment, not by choice of roll.

I gotta get back to work.

Sorry, chaqa... I am staying here for now. I don't know what ideas people have in the next hour and a half. But my wifom leads me back to you at this point.

Wait, wait, wait. Scum can do that? I don't think so, they need to choose their roles.

[dargorygel]

Without going back and cut-and-pasting (NOW my internet goes wonky???) I understood the process to be
a) In the first day they choose their roles
b) IF they recruit, the recruit's role is randomly determined
c) the rest of us are randomly assigned our roles and notified

[dargorygel]

"The Pre-game phase will be the first 24 hours of D1, where the starting mafia members can discuss their options and purchases in the Mafia QT.
If the mafia players choose to recruit an additional member, they will get to choose the person via votes using the voting mechanic - it will not be randomly assigned.
The person who joins the mafia team will inherit a randomly selected role outside of the roles the mafia team purchase."

[rdrivera2005]

Does anyone else notice that we are less than two hours from the end of a phase which could end the game, and suddenly BunnyGo is tunnelling on me?

Me, a completely non-viable wagon at this point in time. Seriously.

Is anyone going to take a gamble that I am such obvious scum that as town you'd be willing to risk ending the game by hanging me right now? No. Nobody in their right mind is going to do that.

So, Bunny, save all this furious energy that you're currently directing at me. Help ensure town finds and votes out the most viable scum today, and if we do that, you can interrogate me further tomorrow. Ok?

Because right now you're actively distracting town from making a very importance choice.

That's a good point. I think we need to consolidate with some time for EOD and I don't think pushing new wagons is a good choice.

If we don't lose today we have finally some info on the scumteam to start with.

Do you think we should all just get on Chaqa now and call it a day?

I think with the time left any wagon that's not Chaqa, you or me isn't viable. We can't allow last minute shenanigans with 5 x 4. Scum won't try to save a teammate, but if they see a chance to win they might go for it and ofcMacca for example is town we can counter them if he isn't around. So, we need to consolidate, it's pretty obvious.

Pushing Jamiet, Bunny or Damo now for example is pointless, at least the way I see the game.

[kgray]

That's a reasonable thought, but if I was recruited, what roles did the scumteam buy?

I don't know.
The range is not really 'findable.'
That is why I am leaning more on 'reads' than on 'mechanics.'
I still wonder if they didn't buy ANY... but let the random protect them. (I wrote about that earlier. The idea was bashed.)
But even ASIDE from that, at the end, we are guessing. And choices based on guessing are not much (if at all) any more useful than our reads.

But at any rate... you brought up the 'role choice' of stump to persuade me that you are town. My answer is that you as scum COULD be in the scumranks by recruitment, not by choice of roll.

I gotta get back to work.

Sorry, chaqa... I am staying here for now. I don't know what ideas people have in the next hour and a half. But my wifom leads me back to you at this point.

Wait, wait, wait. Scum can do that? I don't think so, they need to choose their roles.

I thought so too, but I don't see anywhere that it says scum *have* to pick their roles...

[rdrivera2005]

Without going back and cut-and-pasting (NOW my internet goes wonky???) I understood the process to be
a) In the first day they choose their roles
b) IF they recruit, the recruit's role is randomly determined
c) the rest of us are randomly assigned our roles and notified

Exactly so why you meant with "I still wonder if they didn't buy ANY... but let the random protect them. (I wrote about that earlier. The idea was bashed.)"

[BunnyGo]

Does anyone else notice that we are less than two hours from the end of a phase which could end the game, and suddenly BunnyGo is tunnelling on me?

Me, a completely non-viable wagon at this point in time. Seriously.

Is anyone going to take a gamble that I am such obvious scum that as town you'd be willing to risk ending the game by hanging me right now? No. Nobody in their right mind is going to do that.

So, Bunny, save all this furious energy that you're currently directing at me. Help ensure town finds and votes out the most viable scum today, and if we do that, you can interrogate me further tomorrow. Ok?

Because right now you're actively distracting town from making a very importance choice.

Am I? I see sooooooooi much hunting happening while I’m gone. Look at all the posts!

In all seriousness, I’ve made my case. Others are WIFOMing out of their puny minds about Chaq. And you’re reacting like a scum who is furious at getting caught for what you think are dumb reasons when you’re really close to winning.

I’m not voting you. But every post you have makes me think I should.

If you want to hunt, you could acknowledge my Rivera case and tell me what you think about it. I'm especially interested in your thoughts because tbh I hated your Rivera ISO.

Sadly I’m with kids on phone for a while. I’ll give it some thought if I find time.

Sorry you hated my ISO.

[rdrivera2005]

I don't know.
The range is not really 'findable.'
That is why I am leaning more on 'reads' than on 'mechanics.'
I still wonder if they didn't buy ANY... but let the random protect them. (I wrote about that earlier. The idea was bashed.)
But even ASIDE from that, at the end, we are guessing. And choices based on guessing are not much (if at all) any more useful than our reads.

But at any rate... you brought up the 'role choice' of stump to persuade me that you are town. My answer is that you as scum COULD be in the scumranks by recruitment, not by choice of roll.

I gotta get back to work.

Sorry, chaqa... I am staying here for now. I don't know what ideas people have in the next hour and a half. But my wifom leads me back to you at this point.

Wait, wait, wait. Scum can do that? I don't think so, they need to choose their roles.

I thought so too, but I don't see anywhere that it says scum *have* to pick their roles...

It will be completely unfair to town if they can recruit and get randomly roles that cost a lot more then the remaining funds.

[kgray]

That's a good point. I think we need to consolidate with some time for EOD and I don't think pushing new wagons is a good choice.

If we don't lose today we have finally some info on the scumteam to start with.

Do you think we should all just get on Chaqa now and call it a day?

I think with the time left any wagon that's not Chaqa, you or me isn't viable. We can't allow last minute shenanigans with 5 x 4. Scum won't try to save a teammate, but if they see a chance to win they might go for it and ofcMacca for example is town we can counter them if he isn't around. So, we need to consolidate, it's pretty obvious.

Pushing Jamiet, Bunny or Damo now for example is pointless, at least the way I see the game.

Okay. I thought you were specifically saying we need to get to Chaqa now. But I agree with all of this.

[kgray]

Wait, wait, wait. Scum can do that? I don't think so, they need to choose their roles.

I thought so too, but I don't see anywhere that it says scum *have* to pick their roles...

It will be completely unfair to town if they can recruit and get randomly roles that cost a lot more then the remaining funds.

Oh, yeah that's a good point.