M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Jamiet99uk]

I asked RDR, and maybe nobody bothered to read it. But is it a good idea for us to list not merely our scum/town list, but instead who we would NOT vote for today, and who we WOULD vote for today.

To see if we can find a candidate that we all will join on.

Or would such a list benefit scum in some way?

Surely this helps scum decide who the easiest mis-kill is going to be?

I know you scumread me today, but is it possible we can talk through the mechanics/wisdom of this? We have to do more than take a myriad of pot-shots today.

I am happy to talk about it.

What do you think about the people who IMMEDIATELY answered and gave their lists, rather than waiting for such discussion?

[Jamiet99uk]

(although these latest discussions just MIGHT be bunny, jamie, and macca 'saving' chaqa. wifomwifomwifomwifom)

I will not not not drink the wine in front of the wine in front of the wine in front of me, ha!

[dargorygel]

(I don't like the idea of flum doing more than simply voting his votes. Obviously, the GM is fine with what is happening, but it seems to me that communicating OTHER than his vote preference is beyond the pale of the spirit of his role. But that is just me.)

[dargorygel]

@JAMIE
The instant lists concerned me. I was pretty clear that I was ASKING about it. But macca might have given his list because he is going to be gone.

Damo, I expect, has a pretty clear idea about the potential harms and values. But just jumped in. It might be AI, but it could just be Damo being damo.

What do you think?

[dargorygel]

The thing is, Jamie, that I suspect at this late stage that ALL of us are walking on egg shells. We have 'feelings' and 'expectations' about what others would do, but maybe we are wrong. You, for instance, I think believe that I scum read you (judging from your response yesterday, saying something about 'if that makes me scum vote for me') But you have been a steady townread for me.

Also, today, really, we need to clear the deck. We have NO voting mechanical clears (other than flum...) And scum have been incredible at hiding.

But today, for us it is vote right or lose. For SCUM, it is win today, or have another chance tomorrow.

I therefore understand your hesitation about chaqa. NO one is putting up a fight for him. But that doesn't mean I expect scum to defend him. They can let him go. In a weird wifom way, that gives towny points in my head for you and bunny. For being willing to LOOK like scum protecting. Scum has no reason to protect anyone. This is not the end for them if we hit a scum.

[BunnyGo]

(I don't like the idea of flum doing more than simply voting his votes. Obviously, the GM is fine with what is happening, but it seems to me that communicating OTHER than his vote preference is beyond the pale of the spirit of his role. But that is just me.)

This is fair. The GM smacked down the idea of me using a more elaborate code. And even a simple code is probably frowned on.

[dargorygel]

I'm trying to re-arrange my schedule to be on at EoD. We all should. Please. Well... TOWN be on at EoD... scum please find yourself suddenly busy (or sleeping, macca.)

[dargorygel]

But i'm gone for a few hours now.
Figure this out, please.

[dargorygel]

I also don't like that no one seems to be screaming about THIS being our deciding moment. Especially our more experienced players.

Or is my math wrong?

[dargorygel]

I am having a really hard time justifying Chaqa as town, but this is really starting to feel like a trap to me. The two RBs to ensure a successful NK on a non-healer really feels like scum going all-in on betting that today is a miskill. Between Chaqa being the leading wagon yesterday before Vecna's no-kill plan, and me tunneling him all game, the momentum was certainly heading in a Chaqa daykill today. Especially with people joining wagons for "consolidation" and now Bunny's statement that Flum has decided it's me or Chaqa, my gut is telling me this is wrong.

Oh yeah. You and Chaqa were bussing each other all game, but know that all you need is a misskill you start to have doubts.
I don't think we should follow Flum blindly. I am voting you, but unfortunately I am not gathering enough support.
But you are smart enough to see why we need to consolidate on milo. We don't need to consolidate right now, but closer to EOD we can't have more then 2 wagons.

If we have two wagons... scum can dogpile on their choice, yes? As long as both wagons are scum, fine. But if one of them is town, we lose.

Is my math wrong?

[dargorygel]

Sigh
i gotta go.

[BunnyGo]

I also don't like that no one seems to be screaming about THIS being our deciding moment. Especially our more experienced players.

Or is my math wrong?

It is not wrong. This is KiLo.

[damo666]

@JAMIE
The instant lists concerned me. I was pretty clear that I was ASKING about it. But macca might have given his list because he is going to be gone.

Damo, I expect, has a pretty clear idea about the potential harms and values. But just jumped in. It might be AI, but it could just be Damo being damo.

What do you think?

I have been pretty clearly advocating that we must kill a low value role so I my list is hardly a surprise or giving away information.

[damo666]

I also don't like that no one seems to be screaming about THIS being our deciding moment. Especially our more experienced players.

Or is my math wrong?

It is not wrong. This is KiLo.

kiko

[damo666]

I am having a really hard time justifying Chaqa as town, but this is really starting to feel like a trap to me. The two RBs to ensure a successful NK on a non-healer really feels like scum going all-in on betting that today is a miskill. Between Chaqa being the leading wagon yesterday before Vecna's no-kill plan, and me tunneling him all game, the momentum was certainly heading in a Chaqa daykill today. Especially with people joining wagons for "consolidation" and now Bunny's statement that Flum has decided it's me or Chaqa, my gut is telling me this is wrong.

Oh yeah. You and Chaqa were bussing each other all game, but know that all you need is a misskill you start to have doubts.
I don't think we should follow Flum blindly. I am voting you, but unfortunately I am not gathering enough support.
But you are smart enough to see why we need to consolidate on milo. We don't need to consolidate right now, but closer to EOD we can't have more then 2 wagons.

If we have two wagons... scum can dogpile on their choice, yes? As long as both wagons are scum, fine. But if one of them is town, we lose.

Is my math wrong?

If the 4 town and Flum are on the same scumbag there is nothing scum can do even if it is SvT

[BunnyGo]

I also don't like that no one seems to be screaming about THIS being our deciding moment. Especially our more experienced players.

Or is my math wrong?

It is not wrong. This is KiLo.

kiko

Lo is lose.

[BunnyGo]

Oh yeah. You and Chaqa were bussing each other all game, but know that all you need is a misskill you start to have doubts.
I don't think we should follow Flum blindly. I am voting you, but unfortunately I am not gathering enough support.
But you are smart enough to see why we need to consolidate on milo. We don't need to consolidate right now, but closer to EOD we can't have more then 2 wagons.

If we have two wagons... scum can dogpile on their choice, yes? As long as both wagons are scum, fine. But if one of them is town, we lose.

Is my math wrong?

If the 4 town and Flum are on the same scumbag there is nothing scum can do even if it is SvT

Correct. But if Macca is town or Flum isn’t here EOD, we have little choice then.

[damo666]

It is not wrong. This is KiLo.

kiko

Lo is lose.

Hi is hise.

[damo666]

If we have two wagons... scum can dogpile on their choice, yes? As long as both wagons are scum, fine. But if one of them is town, we lose.

Is my math wrong?

If the 4 town and Flum are on the same scumbag there is nothing scum can do even if it is SvT

Correct. But if Macca is town or Flum isn’t here EOD, we have little choice then.

Well I think Chaqa is scum and presumably you do as you're voting for him so I'm quite happy with the situation. I don't know why rdr is dithering (unless ofc he is scumpartner with Chaqa).

[Jamiet99uk]

We have 'feelings' and 'expectations' about what others would do, but maybe we are wrong. You, for instance, I think believe that I scum read you (judging from your response yesterday, saying something about 'if that makes me scum vote for me') But you have been a steady townread for me.

Incorrect. I assumed you were townreading me. I said "if that makes me scum, vote for me" based on the assumption that you didn't think I was scum - my point was I was trying to find out why you were making such a big fuss about my joke.