M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE DARGORYGEL

It's entirely plausible the scum didn't take either FH but did take the FV, which actually turns out to be a very cheap role considering its strongman-like power.

[BunnyGo]

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There's a lot of rubbish in your emotive, sloppy iso of me, but let me pick up a few points here, in line with your own numbering:

1) You are right that I pushed Fluminator. His massclaim plan, at that time, was very bad. I figured it could be scum-motivated. You are right that I pushed Ghug. I made my reasons for doing so very clear at the time. I was wrong, but there we go.

My issue wasn't with 1 push. It was every day.

1) How is it scum-indicative that I saved myself from Maniac? It seemed very obvious to me that Maniac would target me. Since I am town, this would lead to an additional town death. Naturally I wished to prevent this. You are suggesting this is scum-indicative, which is wrong.

Then why not just save Maniac?

1) Do you think that Chaqa's colour coding was a scum slip?

If bozo had done it, or I had done it, or you had done it. Yes. With Chaqa, I don't see how careful he is as town. At the time, I also agreed with ghug that it could just as likely be a very specific town slip. Now, I think more likely scum than general error.

2) I did not realise that the Fruit Vendor was a "protective" until well into D2. I totally missed the fact that the FV could interfere with my save. I have previously said this, and you know that because it was on page 234 in a post specifically directed at you. From a setup perspective it's actually quite strange that a Fruit Vendor is regarded as "protective" in this setup; it provides no protection since the fruit does not save anyone. I have used FV in a setup I GM-ed in the past, and it was not a protective, its only purpose was to help scum distract a tracker. Hence my D1 comments to that effect. Your analysis regarding my thoughts on the Fruit Vendor is based on entirely incorrect assumptions.

And yet you also read the FV role well enough to quote it. Did you not read the end of it saying it was protective?

3) Well, it wasn't, so there. In retrospect, doesn't it strike you as odd that so many people were uninterested in declaring whether there had been a roleblock or not? That information would actually have helped town work out a little bit of info about the Mafia's credit position.

Do you think anyone roleblocked would be quiet about it?

[BunnyGo]

##VOTE DARGORYGEL

It's entirely plausible the scum didn't take either FH but did take the FV, which actually turns out to be a very cheap role considering its strongman-like power.

Just to be clear:

To suspect dargo is scum today you believe that:

They decided not to RB me and instead RB the doctors just to get me off the scent.

This isn't a bad plan for them. But are we banking on this today?

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE DARGORYGEL

It's entirely plausible the scum didn't take either FH but did take the FV, which actually turns out to be a very cheap role considering its strongman-like power.

Just to be clear:

To suspect dargo is scum today you believe that:

They decided not to RB me and instead RB the doctors just to get me off the scent.

This isn't a bad plan for them. But are we banking on this today?

I see your point. But I don't want to gamble the outcome of the whole game on Chaqa being scum, because my read on him is not strong. So I'll vote for Rdrivera or Dargorygel or, I guess, you.

[dargorygel]

I asked RDR, and maybe nobody bothered to read it. But is it a good idea for us to list not merely our scum/town list, but instead who we would NOT vote for today, and who we WOULD vote for today.

To see if we can find a candidate that we all will join on.

Or would such a list benefit scum in some way?

I am trying to find a way for us to be able to end up on one candidate today. Because we need to.

I was waiting for someone to 'break' from the pack gathered on chaqa, since if he is scum, the scumteam would be (any moment now) trying to get a couple of votes away from him.

The fact that Jamie and Bunny are the first to be trying to move voters from chaqa is disappointing to me. Because I townread both of them this morning.

[TheMadMonarch]

The ballad of rdr:

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"Want to point two things:
- the Durga vote was a joke because she pushed my NK on N1 the last two times she was scum.

- We agree on the PV role value (after I gave a second thought) to scum to hide usual fearkills.

- I was upset I roled Vanilla when I answered Maniac. Still am, as it's useless and will probably get me daykilled early. But I do use foul language, not so much in English, lol."

Notice that was 3 things!

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The most important part!

[damo666]

I asked RDR, and maybe nobody bothered to read it. But is it a good idea for us to list not merely our scum/town list, but instead who we would NOT vote for today, and who we WOULD vote for today.

To see if we can find a candidate that we all will join on.

Or would such a list benefit scum in some way?

I am trying to find a way for us to be able to end up on one candidate today. Because we need to.

I was waiting for someone to 'break' from the pack gathered on chaqa, since if he is scum, the scumteam would be (any moment now) trying to get a couple of votes away from him.

The fact that Jamie and Bunny are the first to be trying to move voters from chaqa is disappointing to me. Because I townread both of them this morning.

I will only vote for you, chaqa or rdr.

[TheMadMonarch]

I asked RDR, and maybe nobody bothered to read it. But is it a good idea for us to list not merely our scum/town list, but instead who we would NOT vote for today, and who we WOULD vote for today.

To see if we can find a candidate that we all will join on.

Or would such a list benefit scum in some way?

I am trying to find a way for us to be able to end up on one candidate today. Because we need to.

I was waiting for someone to 'break' from the pack gathered on chaqa, since if he is scum, the scumteam would be (any moment now) trying to get a couple of votes away from him.

The fact that Jamie and Bunny are the first to be trying to move voters from chaqa is disappointing to me. Because I townread both of them this morning.

I'll give my list now

Would like to vote for:
Chaqa
kgray
rdr
Bunny

Would vote for if I have to
Darg
Jamie

I will not vote for
Damo
Myself

[Jamiet99uk]

I asked RDR, and maybe nobody bothered to read it. But is it a good idea for us to list not merely our scum/town list, but instead who we would NOT vote for today, and who we WOULD vote for today.

To see if we can find a candidate that we all will join on.

Or would such a list benefit scum in some way?

Surely this helps scum decide who the easiest mis-kill is going to be?

[dargorygel]

I asked RDR, and maybe nobody bothered to read it. But is it a good idea for us to list not merely our scum/town list, but instead who we would NOT vote for today, and who we WOULD vote for today.

To see if we can find a candidate that we all will join on.

Or would such a list benefit scum in some way?

Surely this helps scum decide who the easiest mis-kill is going to be?

It might, jamie, that is why i asked before listing. I wanted discussion about it. I believe it would help us TODAY know where we can focus our attention for today's daykill. But it might help them deduce things for the NK, and for the days to come.

[dargorygel]

I asked RDR, and maybe nobody bothered to read it. But is it a good idea for us to list not merely our scum/town list, but instead who we would NOT vote for today, and who we WOULD vote for today.

To see if we can find a candidate that we all will join on.

Or would such a list benefit scum in some way?

Surely this helps scum decide who the easiest mis-kill is going to be?

I know you scumread me today, but is it possible we can talk through the mechanics/wisdom of this? We have to do more than take a myriad of pot-shots today.

[TheMadMonarch]

I'm going to bed now. I will try to get on before EOD, and check where the votes are at, but no guarantees. (I may also have miscalculated time-zones, in which case, oops).

Since I probably won't have time to read the whole, I will most probably sheep damo. Do with this information as you will.

Best of luck.

[dargorygel]

I'm going to bed now. I will try to get on before EOD, and check where the votes are at, but no guarantees. (I may also have miscalculated time-zones, in which case, oops).

Since I probably won't have time to read the whole, I will most probably sheep damo. Do with this information as you will.

Best of luck.

Wait... should you leave your vote on Unvote instead? If you can't be back, and the group moves away from chaqa, you will be providing scum a chance to dogpile on chaqa if he is town.

If you can be here at EoD, fine... but if not, you might be guaranteeing a two-candidate EoD.

[dargorygel]

(although these latest discussions just MIGHT be bunny, jamie, and macca 'saving' chaqa. wifomwifomwifomwifom)

[dargorygel]

Well, not macca.
so only two wifoms.

[dargorygel]

But macca could be setting up the misskill for tonight

[worcej]

Vote Count:
Chaqa (5) Macca573, damo666, BunnyGo, dargorygel, Fluminator
kgray (2) Chaqa rdrivera2005
rdrivera2005 (1) kgray
dargorygel (1) Jamiet99uk

Currently Chaqa is set to be eliminated from this contest. ~9 hours remain.

GM Note:
I may be busy right at phase change (busy day at work today) so please exercise some patience with phase change/results at EOD.

[dargorygel]

If Chaqa is town, townmacca just gave the potential pathway to EoD sudden victory for scum.

The thing is, I am scumreading macca. If macca IS scum, hIs votelock MIGHT if I am right, have given the room a reason that we MUST stay voting for chaqa. Since we cannot have outliers at EoD.

[BunnyGo]

The thing is, Flum is definitely town, and unless he's here and *willing* to shift to someone besides chaqa and kgray, then we're in trouble either way...

@@FLUM can you give us a list of those you'd be willing to follow us to?

[BunnyGo]

The thing is, Flum is definitely town, and unless he's here and *willing* to shift to someone besides chaqa and kgray, then we're in trouble either way...

@@FLUM can you give us a list of those you'd be willing to follow us to?

@@FLUM and can you vote the GM if you expect to be around at EOD?