M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't know what else to do.

[dargorygel]

It is not only on flum.
If any of us are voting at EoD for a townie, we will lose.

[rdrivera2005]

It is not only on flum.
If any of us are voting at EoD for a townie, we will lose.

Yes, but we can at least discuss and try to convince people to change his mind. I am tryng to address Jamiet and also you so you change your vote.

To be honest, I still don't understand why are you voting me?

[Chaqa]

So would the town play be to consensus a pick and hammer them so scum can't interfere? Or is that too risky for scum manipulation?

[dargorygel]

It is not only on flum.
If any of us are voting at EoD for a townie, we will lose.

Yes, but we can at least discuss and try to convince people to change his mind. I am tryng to address Jamiet and also you so you change your vote.

To be honest, I still don't understand why are you voting me?

I voted you earlier today because I had a general scumread on you for some time. You are in my pool. More because of the potential of your role being 'useful' for scum as a mask for you, and because of a gut feeling than anything. My strongest townreads were voting you, and consolation is very importatnt today.

I have not been able to engage today, much. Nor will I be able to in the next hours.

I am reading the arguments when I am able, and like everyone must do, am trying to find who we can vote for in common. I am NOT locked on you, rdrivera.

Do you think it would be worthwhile for us to compile a list of who we would NOT vote for? Or would that benefit scum in some way?

[dargorygel]

So would the town play be to consensus a pick and hammer them so scum can't interfere? Or is that too risky for scum manipulation?

It sounds dangerous.

But wouldn't it be only dangerous if we were daykilling town... which we would be doing anyway if we were hammering them?

I do not see the value.

[Chaqa]

So would the town play be to consensus a pick and hammer them so scum can't interfere? Or is that too risky for scum manipulation?

It sounds dangerous.

But wouldn't it be only dangerous if we were daykilling town... which we would be doing anyway if we were hammering them?

I do not see the value.

My thinking was, if Flum does not move his vote, then scum will just need to pile on to me at the end of the day and they've got their mis-kill and win.

If you guys are deciding to vote me anyway, it doesn't matter, but if we're voting anyone else, we should probably hammer to prevent that scenario (unless Flum moves his vote).

This whole logic holds true if Flum is voting for anyone who is town, though, so it's going to be complete WIFOM regardless for most of us.

[kgray]

So would the town play be to consensus a pick and hammer them so scum can't interfere? Or is that too risky for scum manipulation?

It sounds dangerous.

But wouldn't it be only dangerous if we were daykilling town... which we would be doing anyway if we were hammering them?

I do not see the value.

My thinking was, if Flum does not move his vote, then scum will just need to pile on to me at the end of the day and they've got their mis-kill and win.

If you guys are deciding to vote me anyway, it doesn't matter, but if we're voting anyone else, we should probably hammer to prevent that scenario (unless Flum moves his vote).

This whole logic holds true if Flum is voting for anyone who is town, though, so it's going to be complete WIFOM regardless for most of us.

The whole logic holds true if *anyone* is voting for town, though. Flum knows this and I am sure he will not leave his vote on a vanity wagon at EOD. If we all consolidate, he will too.

Hammering is a terrible idea.

[Fluminator]

##vote Chaqa

[rdrivera2005]

Hammering at kilo only favours scum, so please no one vote end.

This said, I think Flum have been pretty clear about what he thinks.

@Jamiet abd @Dargo- If any of you are town please reconsider your vote.

[Jamiet99uk]

Chaqa attempting to persuade us to hammer is earning great big scum-points from me.

[Jamiet99uk]

#~VOTE CHAQA

[Chaqa]

Chaqa attempting to persuade us to hammer is earning great big scum-points from me.

lol fuck off with that. bringing it up as a discussion point is not scummy

You don't see me out here telling people to hammer, do you?

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh it seems I had a typo in my vote anyway.

##unvote

[Chaqa]

Oh it seems I had a typo in my vote anyway.

##unvote

Jamie, part of me actually hopes you're scum and you've been playing the best game ever lol

[BunnyGo]

Lady and gentleman,

One blueberry vodka tonic and I bring you....


DRUNK BUNNY (TM)

I really only do this when I’m drinking.

[BunnyGo]

I don’t usually mix drinks...so I just poured the whole glass

[BunnyGo]

Ok. So...I have to do my kids bedtime still. But then...then is HUNTING TIME!!

Unless Mrs Bunny is free. Then screw you guys, I’m screwing her.

[TheMadMonarch]

Ok. So...I have to do my kids bedtime still. But then...then is HUNTING TIME!!

Unless Mrs Bunny is free. Then screw you guys, I’m screwing her.

Best of luck!

[TheMadMonarch]

So, I think there's three broad scenarios we have to consider:

1. Both of the roleblock claims are true
In this scenario, I along with many others have been very wrong about Kgray. If both Jamie and Kgray are town, however, then Dargo must also be town, because there would be no reason to roleblock them both if scum has the Fruit Vendor. In this case, the scumteam would have to be in Chaqa, Damo, Bunny, Macca, Rivera

2. Neither of the roleblock claims are true
In this scenario, scum has both Faith Healers, whether through purchase or recruitment or random, it's hard to say. If scum owns both healers, Dargo is also likely town, since they'd not buy the FHs and the Fruit Vendor, I think. In thinking about what scumteam with two healers looks like, I'm tempted to believe kgray would be the recruit that random-rolled into Faith Healer. In this scenario, the scumteam is Jamiet, Kgray, and 2 of the rest of us that aren't Dargo. This seems like the least likely scenario, but I will go back and do some VCA and such to see who would be most likely to be their scum teammates if this is true.

3. One of the roleblock claims is true, the other is fake
I suppose this should be split into two sections - one for fakeJamie and one for fakeKgray, but I think if either one is fake it has to be Kgray. In this scenario, scum roleblocked Jamie or Kgray to ensure that their kill could go through, while the scum-Healer also claims RB. This makes sense to me as a possibility since Kgray was under a lot of suspicion, and this play would serve to make everyone clear her so an easy mis-kill can be pushed on me. Similar to before, if scum has FV, this play makes no sense, so Dargo is still clear. In this scenario, I think the scumteam is Kgray, and 3 of Chaqa/Damo/Bunny/Rivera/Macca.

Dargo looks extremely town in all three scenarios.

I rank likelihood of these as:
3 > 1 >>> 2

If one healer is fake, I think it's kgray.

Dargo locktown. Kgray only town if scumteam is exactly Macca, Damo, Bunny, Rivera. If any of those four are town, then the Kgray RB claim has to be fake.

Need to do some more analysis on Macca, Damo, Bunny, Rivera.

This looks like good stuff. Not enough for me to stop voting you, but it's a start.