M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[BunnyGo]

Vecna plan tally

FOR Vecna darg flum 3

AGAINST damo rdr bunny 3

DON'T KNOW/AMBIVALENT chaqa kgray 2

To declare: Jamie 1

@Jamie What do you think?

You needn't count your reply in your postcount since it's a quasi vote

I'm less against it if Flum will consistently be here. But I'm still against.

[Vecna]

I would agree, except that it seems leaving it out there is working out in their favor, since I'm being suspected for my role.

Youre being suspected for entirely different shit, your role just fits in the overall picture

Okay Vecna, lay out the case on me then, because as far as I can tell it's all because of my role and kgray's insistence I'm scum, OR that we're scum together.

Is that it?

You know, I was actually watching your stream yesterday for a little bit. The only thing I could think was "this is not how he is approaching our current mafia game". When youre town, you spell out your thought process. You try to convince people. You talk about your process. You respond to small details. You try and engage people.

Im missing the soul of your play. plain and simple. You did it with Ghug a little bit, but you tossed terms at me like "VECNA YOURE THROWING". Now as well, its a lot of semi-emotional appeals. It feels more like youre trying to make us feel bad for suspecting you than it feels that youre questioning your own thoughts, questioning your reads. You arive at conclusions, but I cannot for the life of me see your process of getting there.

There has been plenty of stuff that Kgray has done that would give most town people pause. That doesnt mean she is town, because she's fully capable of that as scum as well. But the doubt is not there. In your play.

[Jamiet99uk]

Vecna plan tally

FOR Vecna darg flum 3

AGAINST damo rdr bunny 3

DON'T KNOW/AMBIVALENT chaqa kgray 2

To declare: Jamie 1

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE NO-KILL

[Vecna]

17

Vecna plan tally

FOR Vecna darg flum 3

AGAINST damo rdr bunny 3

DON'T KNOW/AMBIVALENT chaqa kgray 2

To declare: Jamie 1

Fixed. Were here to hold you accountable jamiet, you cannot cheat at your own stupid game.

Either stick with it, or abandon completely. No cheating. Thats scummy in a jamiet type of world

[Jamiet99uk]

17

Vecna plan tally

FOR Vecna darg flum 3

AGAINST damo rdr bunny 3

DON'T KNOW/AMBIVALENT chaqa kgray 2

To declare: Jamie 1

Fixed. Were here to hold you accountable jamiet, you cannot cheat at your own stupid game.

Either stick with it, or abandon completely. No cheating. Thats scummy in a jamiet type of world

18. Ok Vecna, as you wish.

Two posts left now. Well done.

[Vecna]

noone is gonna think youre scum if you suddenly abandon this stupid gimmick jamiet. Were not trying to trap you.

[Chaqa]

Youre being suspected for entirely different shit, your role just fits in the overall picture

Okay Vecna, lay out the case on me then, because as far as I can tell it's all because of my role and kgray's insistence I'm scum, OR that we're scum together.

Is that it?

You know, I was actually watching your stream yesterday for a little bit. The only thing I could think was "this is not how he is approaching our current mafia game". When youre town, you spell out your thought process. You try to convince people. You talk about your process. You respond to small details. You try and engage people.

Im missing the soul of your play. plain and simple. You did it with Ghug a little bit, but you tossed terms at me like "VECNA YOURE THROWING". Now as well, its a lot of semi-emotional appeals. It feels more like youre trying to make us feel bad for suspecting you than it feels that youre questioning your own thoughts, questioning your reads. You arive at conclusions, but I cannot for the life of me see your process of getting there.

There has been plenty of stuff that Kgray has done that would give most town people pause. That doesnt mean she is town, because she's fully capable of that as scum as well. But the doubt is not there. In your play.

I think that it’s fair to say I don’t have the same approach to mafia as I do to Among Us or other social deduction games. Especially forum mafia - it’s really hard for me to collect objective data and explain myself when everything is so subjective. Among Us is a different beast because I can use strict logic and also see what people are doing.

I’ve actually thought a lot about how to apply the skills I use there to mafia, and it’s not gone super well, but I have been trying to point out and explain when things make me feel one way or another.

For example - I quoted the posts that gave me initial town reads on you, way back when, because it was the way you were phrasing and looking at things that made me fed that way.

[Vecna]

it would be hilarious if youre actually scum though and youre just rubbing it in our faces with this gloat-fiesta

[damo666]

Vecna plan tally

FOR Vecna darg flum Jamie 4

AGAINST damo rdr bunny 3

DON'T KNOW/AMBIVALENT chaqa kgray 2

I guess that's it then?

We do Vecna's plan?

[Vecna]

all or nothing. im pretty sure Macca aint coming back and will leave that vote on Chaqa (which is why I stressed that flum -has- to be here at EoD).

[Vecna]

cant flum be resurrected on the bot so we can see his vote?

Dont think that makes a difference for the game itself does it?

[damo666]

cant flum be resurrected on the bot so we can see his vote?

Dont think that makes a difference for the game itself does it?

Just search or flum's most recent post. Easy enough.

[Vecna]

Yeah, but do you know whats even easier, so 9 players dont need to do that constantly?

[Vecna]

so yeah guys, 4/6 town players have said theyd like to do the no kill thing today.

The rest is waiting for scum's permission or something?

[kgray]

would you say that as well if the vote was currently overwhelmingly voting for you?

I'm not sure. I would definitely fight for the no-kill option but I still wouldn't know which is the "better" plan objectively.

Do you think Damo wouldve responded to my plan in the way he did as scum?

I'm not sure if him disagreeing with you is alignment-indicative but I just reread the way he did it and I tend to agree with you. His quick "daft" response wasn't thought-out and the impulsiveness seems towny.

[Vecna]

your scum poe must be truely interesting then

[kgray]

your scum poe must be truely interesting then

I mean, I don't see a lot of scumteams that don't have damo on it. You asked me about one interaction and I told you what I thought.

[BunnyGo]

so yeah guys, 4/6 town players have said theyd like to do the no kill thing today.

The rest is waiting for scum's permission or something?

Umm...I see 1 town player, and 3 players doing something scummy...

But sure, if the majority (or Flum + scum team) wants it, I can't really stop them.

[kgray]

##vote no-kill