M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Vecna]

Did we ever get a complete list of who damo (and also Bunny) had tracked this game? What about ghug and Vecna actions? Jamie and kgray? Dargo?

If we could get a full list of claimed actions I bet we could piece something together.

Damo: Jamiet N2, Kgray N4, all self-visits, all confirmed

Bunny: N1 Macca (unconfirmable so could be fake) N3 Ghug -> jamiet (fits with him claiming useless results and him visiting me N2).

Kgray: HR N1 (semi-confirmed by me), Vecna N2 (confirmed by me), Self visits N3/N4

Jamiet: Forgot what he did N1/N2, Self-visit N3, saved me N4

Vecna: HR N1 - unreachable (was sad to have to out this),
Self visit N2 (targeted by protective & N3 (no other visits)
Bunny N4 (no other visits)

None of the PR's have anything valuable to go on.

All we know is that the respective visits by trackers did not nightkill on those nights


(how up to date with the game are you anyway chaqa?)

[Vecna]

Vecna thinking damo's arguments about no-kill being "wiped away" is worrying. He's not reading/thinking. I don't know if this is town!vecna from last island game where he hyper focused and was useless, or scum!vecna trying to control the narrative.

he had to admit he was wrong on several points in a row. Ive seen scum damo be confronted many a times, and he usually collapses really fast.

Maybe he changed his stubborness. But I dont really see him as scum do that unless he is scum with macca and has a very strong vested interest in it.

[Vecna]

its still reasoning im not convinced of fully, but it puts him slightly ahead of the other 4 of you in my book.

[kgray]

@Vecna why did you think HR was scum if you knew he was the commuter? That only makes sense as a recruit, and was the main reason I thought it was unlikely he was scum.

[Vecna]

Also chaqa, if you wanna know truely tiring, try being looked at to lead this shitfest, but then be cooooonstantly attacked and questioned on everything (its fine, its fine, whatever, I can take it and ill probably just look the fool afterwards for actually being wrong on some points, but whathever).

[Chaqa]

Did we ever get a complete list of who damo (and also Bunny) had tracked this game? What about ghug and Vecna actions? Jamie and kgray? Dargo?

If we could get a full list of claimed actions I bet we could piece something together.

Damo: Jamiet N2, Kgray N4, all self-visits, all confirmed

Bunny: N1 Macca (unconfirmable so could be fake) N3 Ghug -> jamiet (fits with him claiming useless results and him visiting me N2).

Kgray: HR N1 (semi-confirmed by me), Vecna N2 (confirmed by me), Self visits N3/N4

Jamiet: Forgot what he did N1/N2, Self-visit N3, saved me N4

Vecna: HR N1 - unreachable (was sad to have to out this),
Self visit N2 (targeted by protective & N3 (no other visits)
Bunny N4 (no other visits)

None of the PR's have anything valuable to go on.

All we know is that the respective visits by trackers did not nightkill on those nights


(how up to date with the game are you anyway chaqa?)

I'm pretty much up to date and knew the role claims but I didn't have all the differen actions in one organized spot.

[kgray]

Ill pose you an interesting puzzle. What is the most damning thing Rdrivera has done today?

Umm... I don't think he's done anything particularly damning today? He's kind of just been around, which is how he's been all game. I really dislike that he seems to have forgotten about his previously very strong scumread of Chaqa, now that Chaqa is finally a wagon.

Did I miss something big?

Interstating you don't dislike I am not voting you, who I was voting yesterday and that I still think is scum.

Chaqa is on my scumlist too, but I think it need to be one of Chaqa/Macca/Dargo and I think we have a better chance going for one of the useless trackers. And I explained this before, so your comment feel really weird to me.
Your push on Chaqa don't remember me town Kgray that I usually can easily follow the reasoning.

Because you're still scumreading me. At one point yesterday Chaqa was your strongest scumread but you haven't mentioned him at all today until this post.

[Chaqa]

Also chaqa, if you wanna know truely tiring, try being looked at to lead this shitfest, but then be cooooonstantly attacked and questioned on everything (its fine, its fine, whatever, I can take it and ill probably just look the fool afterwards for actually being wrong on some points, but whathever).

Who's looking to you to lead?

Honestly, the last two days have only reduced my townread of you. I still don't want to vote you before kgray and rivera (and maybe Bunny), but like, you haven't done anything to convince me you're town lately...

Also, where the F is Jamie?

[Vecna]

@Vecna why did you think HR was scum if you knew he was the commuter? That only makes sense as a recruit, and was the main reason I thought it was unlikely he was scum.

Yep, this was my first impulse as well.

I had initially only sent in my result to worcej, so my result came very late because he wasnt around for 30 hours or so.

I did a weird 180' on HR when the result did come in. Didnt vote him for quite some time while he was my top scumread. Then HR popped back in with his over the top acting and I felt it was just scummy behavior. I reasoned he would be the #1 recruitment option for quite some people, and decided to follow my gut. I also didnt feel he was trying to attract any type of NK N1 with his lurking.

Anyways I was wrong. And thats mainly the reason why I tried to hide my result from N1. Wouldve kept it hidden the entire game if it wasnt for you coming out claiming HR was unreachable N1

[BunnyGo]

Also chaqa, if you wanna know truely tiring, try being looked at to lead this shitfest, but then be cooooonstantly attacked and questioned on everything (its fine, its fine, whatever, I can take it and ill probably just look the fool afterwards for actually being wrong on some points, but whathever).

Believe me, I'm not looking to you.

[BunnyGo]

Also chaqa, if you wanna know truely tiring, try being looked at to lead this shitfest, but then be cooooonstantly attacked and questioned on everything (its fine, its fine, whatever, I can take it and ill probably just look the fool afterwards for actually being wrong on some points, but whathever).

Who's looking to you to lead?

Honestly, the last two days have only reduced my townread of you. I still don't want to vote you before kgray and rivera (and maybe Bunny), but like, you haven't done anything to convince me you're town lately...

Also, where the F is Jamie?

Self imposed silence.

[kgray]

For all the people voting Chaqa: Would you also be ok voting Kgray instead?

No

[Vecna]

Also chaqa, if you wanna know truely tiring, try being looked at to lead this shitfest, but then be cooooonstantly attacked and questioned on everything (its fine, its fine, whatever, I can take it and ill probably just look the fool afterwards for actually being wrong on some points, but whathever).

Believe me, I'm not looking to you.

Good for you

[Chaqa]

Question for everyone, but especially for those scumreading me:

Do you think that as mafia, I would choose Tree Stump as my role?

It provides no utility. It doesn't make much sense for mafia to take when FV is a perpetual strongman that is also a positive money role.

Many of the 0-cost roles would be more valuable, as well.

[worcej]

##Call GM:

How would you adjudicate a majority vote on NO DAY KILL with a single vote on the person that was targetted by a night governor? Would that single vote be reduced to zero votes?

I'd adjudicate it exactly as your last question states.

The Governor's ability makes someone not able to receive votes, but I would show the vote count anyways with a (0) as the results for the person.

[kgray]

Consolidation is important today. Scum have a large block that they can suddenly at EoD jump on. Unless we have unity.

I townread kgray.
But there is enough sus there (mostly as chaqa points out, in the vote analysis) that I would join the bandwagon rather than leave us vulnerable to a scumblock move.

Chaqa's vote analysis is assuming I'm scum. I'm not. We had 3 town wagons yesterday.

The people that look most suspicious from a VCA perspective are those that didn't seem to care which townie died. Bunny stands out. You and Macca were gone, so that's NAI.

Vecna and Jamie's pushes to save me seemed towny to me. And if people switched off of me because of my claim then it could be because they're town and thought doc is helpful/unlikely scum or they're scum and wanted to look towny. Or maybe because they thought I'd be a more likely miskill than ghug today. I don't know. But basically we don't get anything reliable from VCA from yesterday, and Chaqa trying to insist that we do is so scummy.

[kgray]

FWIW - I think no kill today is reasonable, but it does make it a bit harder to guarantee scum doesn't influence the vote.

If we're doing it, we need to decide ahead of time who we vote for the following day, so that no one can manipulate it

you, dargo, and vecna are on my sh*tlist for this...it's basically betting the whole game on Flum...

Yeah fwiw I agree that betting the game on Flum is a huge risk. I don't think he's even reading anymore.

[Fluminator]

##Vote Kgray

[kgray]

Did we ever get a complete list of who damo (and also Bunny) had tracked this game? What about ghug and Vecna actions? Jamie and kgray? Dargo?

If we could get a full list of claimed actions I bet we could piece something together.

Damo: Jamiet N2, Kgray N4, all self-visits, all confirmed

Bunny: N1 Macca (unconfirmable so could be fake) N3 Ghug -> jamiet (fits with him claiming useless results and him visiting me N2).

Kgray: HR N1 (semi-confirmed by me), Vecna N2 (confirmed by me), Self visits N3/N4

Jamiet: Forgot what he did N1/N2, Self-visit N3, saved me N4

Vecna: HR N1 - unreachable (was sad to have to out this),
Self visit N2 (targeted by protective & N3 (no other visits)
Bunny N4 (no other visits)

None of the PR's have anything valuable to go on.

All we know is that the respective visits by trackers did not nightkill on those nights


(how up to date with the game are you anyway chaqa?)

Also Jamie said he visited ghug N1.

[Vecna]

Question for everyone, but especially for those scumreading me:

Do you think that as mafia, I would choose Tree Stump as my role?

It provides no utility. It doesn't make much sense for mafia to take when FV is a perpetual strongman that is also a positive money role.

Many of the 0-cost roles would be more valuable, as well.

Your role is simply a 1 shot rolecop/roleblocker, with a fallback for this argument that scum wouldnt pick it over the other low cost abilities.

This is not an argument Chaqa, sorry.

We can pretend the 2 difference in cost doesnt matter, but it does