M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Vecna]

What about if we no kill today with a single vote on Macca?

No kill? Is that safe?

As long as we can rely on Flum to stay with us.

It will give potential town trackers extra time to prove themselves useful, it will give us extra NK info.....itll move the balance of information in general more towards town.

The downside is if we do get a docsave at some point we dont get an extra misskill, but the risk of fucking up today is significant as well

[Vecna]

more importantly, itll give us some clarity on how and whether you used your ability

[damo666]

What about if we no kill today with a single vote on Macca?

Daft

[Vecna]

why?

[damo666]

We must kill scum today surely?

[Vecna]

we just must not kill town today

mylo vs lylo

[Vecna]

scum surely went for the all-in play today. So if they have one, a scum governor is in play, and NO KILL is a sure way to flush out the scum governor, giving us a guaranteed scum kill tomorrow.

[Vecna]

the more I think about it, the more it becomes obvious that this is the optimal play for today

[Vecna]

feel free to discuss, but know that whatever you say can and will be used against you for as long as I live

[Vecna]

@FLUMINATOR

just to catch you up: Were in a bit of a hopeless situation right now. The universal backup/night governor claims to have activated on himself. Were in mylo atm. We still have three "investigatives" that can give us extra info during the night if theyre town. We need 4 back to back scum kills. We can give us a lot of extra info, both via whatever investigative is town and macca's alignment, by doing a NO kill and having your one vote on Macca.

If youre wiling to go along with it (I think its the best option we have atm), and you can guarantee that you can commit to being here to vote for the next days, please briefly vote me and vote for macca afterwards.

[damo666]

So if Macca is scum

EOD5 5-4
EON5 4-4
EOD6 4-3
EON 6 3-3

Or Macca becomes cleartown

EOD5 5-4
EON5 4-4 (Macca nightkilled)

This right?

[damo666]

Hang on that's nonsense.

If Macca is proved to have used their power they are not townclear, their alignment is still unknown.

I don't get this plan.

[Vecna]

He's not fully towncleared if we do confirm him using it on himself (although pretty close, since why the f would u do that, its both a strongman or a vig if used correctly for scum).

Regardless, of the outcomes, it removes a potential misskill from our pool. it removes the possibility of hostile governor shit that we have to work around (because even now, it could very well be on Kgray or Rdrivera or whatever).

And with flums vote we find ourselves in the same situation tomorrow that we are now. We just cannot no kill again and will hopefully have more useful information to work with.

Scum will also once again have to try and outplay the doctor, since now they will not have easy targets left to NK. They either have to shoot for me or jamiet and show what tools they have left to kill either of us (more information) or have to shoot someone in our daykill-pool

[damo666]

And if you prove Macca is lying they are probably scum but not 100%

I do not like your plan Vecna.

[Vecna]

if theyre lying here theyre not confirmed scum? are you kidding right now?

[damo666]

I think a better plan is to make sure Macca is clear second then if he is scum having used power on the vote winner they die.

[damo666]

if theyre lying here theyre not confirmed scum? are you kidding right now?

It is Macca lol

Sorry Macca.

[Vecna]

its impossible to do that with a 6 town vs 4 scum situation. we do not have the votes

[Vecna]

scum will just swap last second to put someone else second and win the game

in the scenario im proposing they can not do that

[damo666]

its impossible to do that with a 6 town vs 4 scum situation. we do not have the votes

You me Flum and Macca vote Macca. Guaranteed top, tie top or second.

Note, I haven't thought this fully through. Just throwing it out there.