M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[worcej]

I have one question for if we make the governor claim.

##CALLGM If the Governor gets killed during the night they used their power, does that power still function the next day?

The power is used the night phase before the next day, but yes - if the governor died during the night they used the power it would work the following day.

[Chaqa]

Jamie is also throwing.

[worcej]

No, I am not, but do you think it's worth the risk?

I feel like it's fine as long as we set up a decent backup wagon.

not how it works, i think?

##call gm: if the night governor target is daykilled, will it result in no kill or will the second highest wagon die?

Next highest wagon

[Chaqa]

I feel like it's fine as long as we set up a decent backup wagon.

not how it works, i think?

##call gm: if the night governor target is daykilled, will it result in no kill or will the second highest wagon die?

Next highest wagon

So guys, how about we get like 7 votes on kgray, and 4 votes on like Rivera, Seth, Bunny, or me, and then we should be safe.

[damo666]

I feel like it's fine as long as we set up a decent backup wagon.

not how it works, i think?

##call gm: if the night governor target is daykilled, will it result in no kill or will the second highest wagon die?

Next highest wagon

and if that's a tie?

[worcej]

not how it works, i think?

##call gm: if the night governor target is daykilled, will it result in no kill or will the second highest wagon die?

Next highest wagon

and if that's a tie?

It would process like any tie does...

[worcej]

Or are you trying to ask what if the top 2 wagons are ties and one of them is protected by the governor? In that case, the other wagon in the tie would be day killed because the governor's protection does not allow votes to count on their target.

[damo666]

Next highest wagon

and if that's a tie?

It would process like any tie does...

go to the House?

[damo666]

Or are you trying to ask what if the top 2 wagons are ties and one of them is protected by the governor? In that case, the other wagon in the tie would be day killed because the governor's protection does not allow votes to count on their target.

I meant if 2nd and 3rd (or more) were tied. I glean from your answer that it would be NK.

Ta.

[damo666]

@GM does the FH protectee get a message
a) if saved
b) if no kill attempt is made

Does the FH get a message if
c) his protection target was not the subject of a kill attempt
d) his protection target was saved from a kill attempt

Are c and d different?

Did I get an answer to this?

[dargorygel]

Going with my homies.
##vote ghug
Growing less sure of damo.
Could vote bunny or macca or seth. I wish seth would be back.

[damo666]

O darg dargy darg darg

You have put me in a quandary. My 3 main townreads all on ghug. To join or not to join, that is the question.

[worcej]

@GM does the FH protectee get a message
a) if saved
b) if no kill attempt is made

Does the FH get a message if
c) his protection target was not the subject of a kill attempt
d) his protection target was saved from a kill attempt

Are c and d different?

Did I get an answer to this?

No, because you didn't use the '##' tags for me to catch it - just a reminder those tags are important for any calls if you choose to do it in the thread versus a PM.

Response:
a) Yes
b) No - they only learn if they were saved.
c) Yes
d) Yes

[rdrivera2005]

O darg dargy darg darg

You have put me in a quandary. My 3 main townreads all on ghug. To join or not to join, that is the question.

At this point, Jamiet, Vecna and Dargo will decide the voting, but we still need to push our reads.

##vote Kgray

[damo666]

@GM does the FH protectee get a message
a) if saved
b) if no kill attempt is made

Does the FH get a message if
c) his protection target was not the subject of a kill attempt
d) his protection target was saved from a kill attempt

Are c and d different?

Did I get an answer to this?

No, because you didn't use the '##' tags for me to catch it - just a reminder those tags are important for any calls if you choose to do it in the thread versus a PM.

Response:
a) Yes
b) No - they only learn if they were saved.
c) Yes
d) Yes

Thank you and sorry.

[ghug]

it should be used on someone unlikely to be killed so it cannot be construed as trying to save someone that could potentially be scum

@anyone else - thoughts?

I agree. But I still think they should also claim now.

[kgray]

O darg dargy darg darg

You have put me in a quandary. My 3 main townreads all on ghug. To join or not to join, that is the question.

At this point, Jamiet, Vecna and Dargo will decide the voting, but we still need to push our reads.

##vote Kgray

Interesting that you were willing to sheep darg and Vecna onto Macca but now that they're on ghug you suddenly want to follow your reads...

[ghug]

Damo is voting for Ghug
Vecna scumreads Ghug
Kgray scumreads Ghug
Rdrivera scumreads Ghug

I scumread Ghug
I think we should dispose of Ghug today

##VOTE GHUG

Can you explain why anyone scumreads ghug?

I suppose I'm going to have to set out a big case on why Ghug could be scum. I will try to do this in the next few hours. My scumread is partly down to instinct which is not the best reason. He started a push on me based on a lie, and then at various times renewed that push, sometimes very aggressively and often on the basis of what appeared to be deliberate twistings of my words. Yet at other times when it's suited him to try to get my support for whatever else he's pushing, he's suddenly flipped to townreading me and being all polite to me.

I'll tell you one thing that bothers me. Several people have included Ghug in their scumreads, over multiple days, yet many of these same people seem very reluctant to actually vote for Ghug. What does that suggest?

I've had trouble reading you all game. It really comes down to that. I found your D1 very scummy, and I trusted Flum's read especially once he flipped. You worked to get two strong townies daykilled. You kept revealing a little too much information about your role, which is usually a pretty strong tell that you're town, but it's also a game where roles aren't AI, so I wasn't sure how much to trust that.

I've really only been impolite to you when I was haiku trolling or in direct response to you being impolite to me, so I don't think it's fair to say I've suddenly gotten all friendly when I've needed you.

[Chaqa]

Ghug is still my strongest townread. I flat-out refuse to vote him, and I think anyone voting for him is pretty sus.

Of Vecna and Jamiet, I trust Vecna is town more so than Jamie. Jamie's doctor stuff is NAI, really, but I think they're both more likely town than scum.

I think voting any of those three today is irresponsible.

[ghug]

Regarding Bunny (welcome back, Bunny!)
It seems to me (unless I am missing his point) that his scumread on me is based on my Fruit Vending.

Don't forget, bun, that the roles in this game are not AI. I do agree that FV would be more useful to scum than to town. That doesn't mean they chose it though. I do agree also that it is pretty useless to us. I gave fruit twice, and all it was able to confirm is that i gave fruit to someone. ::shrug:: I don't think that even as a water-muddying-role, this occupation would have been that helpful to scum. Especially if they focused on removing from us the tracking-observing type roles.

Wait, you gave fruit a second time?