M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[dargorygel]

Regarding Bunny (welcome back, Bunny!)
It seems to me (unless I am missing his point) that his scumread on me is based on my Fruit Vending.

Don't forget, bun, that the roles in this game are not AI. I do agree that FV would be more useful to scum than to town. That doesn't mean they chose it though. I do agree also that it is pretty useless to us. I gave fruit twice, and all it was able to confirm is that i gave fruit to someone. ::shrug:: I don't think that even as a water-muddying-role, this occupation would have been that helpful to scum. Especially if they focused on removing from us the tracking-observing type roles.

It's true, it isn't AI. I'm still stuck on you for your posts when sugar lows affected your mental state. I probably need a reset there.

It wasn't JUST that you're fruit vendor. It was that you were fruit vendor asking for double voter to claim while saying "our doctors can protect him." It was as if you completely forgot the one application of your role (just after you posted you HAD an idea how to play your role).

I never asked the double voter to claim. Can you quote it? I suspect it is a communication missfire. I do not encourage PRs to claim, generally.

[BunnyGo]

lol @bunny
Did I missread you? You have both been telling us that you have NOT done any drunk bunny (but only tired bunny) and now you claim that ALL you have done is drunk bunny?

Drunk Bunny (TM) is the persona where I post feels, and focus on whatever jumps at me. Dumb Bunny (TM) is the persona where I mix sh*tposting with hyperfocus on one person. This is usually to draw reactions.

Drunk Bunny (TM) is closer to my natural state (alcohol inhibition and whatnot). I haven't had the energy to try a Dumb Bunny (TM) play this game.

[dargorygel]

lol @bunny
Did I missread you? You have both been telling us that you have NOT done any drunk bunny (but only tired bunny) and now you claim that ALL you have done is drunk bunny?

Drunk Bunny (TM) is the persona where I post feels, and focus on whatever jumps at me. Dumb Bunny (TM) is the persona where I mix sh*tposting with hyperfocus on one person. This is usually to draw reactions.

Drunk Bunny (TM) is closer to my natural state (alcohol inhibition and whatnot). I haven't had the energy to try a Dumb Bunny (TM) play this game.

Thanks... that helps me understand what YOU mean. To me, DrunkBunny is more relaxed, and less tunnelly. Dumb bunny seems to be TRYING hard to make sense.

[BunnyGo]

it might be prudent to have the double voter claim right now, since if we do not hit scum today, tomorrow could be mylo (and we really dont wanna be put in a position there that we have to decide on the spot if its town or scum).

I was thinking through the massclaim idea, wondering if it is time. But the main value of a massclaim to me at this point was to know where the DV is, for safety. We know we can protect them, assuming Jamie is who he claims. Perhaps just asking the DV to claim would be all we need?

I'd be interested in hearing others on this.

I'd love to hear how I misunderstood this.

[BunnyGo]

I wouldnt be too surprised if the scumteam is actually just Macca-Kgray-Ghug-Chaqa

Either chaqa or ghug could be replaced by -maybe- rdrivera/Damo

rdrivera/damo...
I have strongly townread damo all game. I even changed my 'use plan' for my fruit based on HIS (and others' description/advice... but really mostly HIS not performing as i expected...) announcement of the fruit. This morning, I am thinking that I have some bias going. His argument about Jamie is faulty, yes. I am not sure that is AI, though. He is picking holes in the prevailing reasoning, but that is very damo, yes? I am not ready to vote for him.

rdrivera has not made an impression on me. It doesn't seem likely to me that scum would choose that role. But maybe teacon (et al) are right. IF scum had chosen rdr's role, it would have had the result we presently have. Rdr seems 'safe.' AND he would have low-boiled the entire game? I don't know... he might have, as scum, tried to take an active town-leader persona.

I do not really see either likely.

You did never explain your "use plan' either. The only 'use plan' I see could be to negate a doctor save...

[dargorygel]

it might be prudent to have the double voter claim right now, since if we do not hit scum today, tomorrow could be mylo (and we really dont wanna be put in a position there that we have to decide on the spot if its town or scum).

I was thinking through the massclaim idea, wondering if it is time. But the main value of a massclaim to me at this point was to know where the DV is, for safety. We know we can protect them, assuming Jamie is who he claims. Perhaps just asking the DV to claim would be all we need?

I'd be interested in hearing others on this.

I'd love to hear how I misunderstood this.

Thanks! Ok... i was not saying i LIKE the massclaim. But if we were going to do a massclaim to find the DV (which I did NOT endorse) we would be able to protect him, at least. Context, bunny.

This was musing, not proposing, or suggesting.

But I can see where if you were merely reading from the bot, this would stand out.

[BunnyGo]

Now my kid is taking my laptop for school. Back later.

[damo666]

So, things have gone up and down on this, should the UB/Governor claim?

It was a big question a while ago, but it kinda dies off.

To my eyes @Macca you have all but claimed it in any case lol.

I would disagree. I ask questions about things I do not understand all the time, this is something I do not understand.

OK

[Vecna]

So, things have gone up and down on this, should the UB/Governor claim?

It was a big question a while ago, but it kinda dies off.

To my eyes @Macca you have all but claimed it in any case lol.

Yeah, I think everyone has this suspicion by now lol

[dargorygel]

I wouldnt be too surprised if the scumteam is actually just Macca-Kgray-Ghug-Chaqa

Either chaqa or ghug could be replaced by -maybe- rdrivera/Damo

rdrivera/damo...
I have strongly townread damo all game. I even changed my 'use plan' for my fruit based on HIS (and others' description/advice... but really mostly HIS not performing as i expected...) announcement of the fruit. This morning, I am thinking that I have some bias going. His argument about Jamie is faulty, yes. I am not sure that is AI, though. He is picking holes in the prevailing reasoning, but that is very damo, yes? I am not ready to vote for him.

rdrivera has not made an impression on me. It doesn't seem likely to me that scum would choose that role. But maybe teacon (et al) are right. IF scum had chosen rdr's role, it would have had the result we presently have. Rdr seems 'safe.' AND he would have low-boiled the entire game? I don't know... he might have, as scum, tried to take an active town-leader persona.

I do not really see either likely.

You did never explain your "use plan' either. The only 'use plan' I see could be to negate a doctor save...

I did describe that. My "use plan" was to use the FV to send out fruit to my top townreads... and if/when they eventually townread me, I could be confirmed. This was NOT a 'wow what a great plan' idea. I just couldn't figure out what to do with it. I expected that only scum would announce they got a fruit. Mostly, now in retrospect, because of the way I saw my use of fruit. SO when I sent my fruit to my top towhnread, and he ANNOUNCED it... i had to go back and read him. I still didn't see scum in him. AND the reasons that he (and others) gave about the use of my FV made some sense. But with some hesitation I sent fruit again.... to my top town read. And THIS person acted Like I had hinted/stated was my expectation (silence... but with a subtle hint) But having hinted/stated, I wasn't sure how to read it. Fruit Vendor meet Wifom. The room seemed to think I should not muddy the movement-waters at night with fruit, so I did not send it N3.

[Vecna]

Regarding Bunny (welcome back, Bunny!)
It seems to me (unless I am missing his point) that his scumread on me is based on my Fruit Vending.

Don't forget, bun, that the roles in this game are not AI. I do agree that FV would be more useful to scum than to town. That doesn't mean they chose it though. I do agree also that it is pretty useless to us. I gave fruit twice, and all it was able to confirm is that i gave fruit to someone. ::shrug:: I don't think that even as a water-muddying-role, this occupation would have been that helpful to scum. Especially if they focused on removing from us the tracking-observing type roles.

It's true, it isn't AI. I'm still stuck on you for your posts when sugar lows affected your mental state. I probably need a reset there.

It wasn't JUST that you're fruit vendor. It was that you were fruit vendor asking for double voter to claim while saying "our doctors can protect him." It was as if you completely forgot the one application of your role (just after you posted you HAD an idea how to play your role).

did i miss something about how the FV works?

[Vecna]

lol @bunny
Did I missread you? You have both been telling us that you have NOT done any drunk bunny (but only tired bunny) and now you claim that ALL you have done is drunk bunny?

Drunk Bunny (TM) is the persona where I post feels, and focus on whatever jumps at me. Dumb Bunny (TM) is the persona where I mix sh*tposting with hyperfocus on one person. This is usually to draw reactions.

Drunk Bunny (TM) is closer to my natural state (alcohol inhibition and whatnot). I haven't had the energy to try a Dumb Bunny (TM) play this game.

I dno, you've felt pretty hyperfocused on me this game

[damo666]

Regarding Bunny (welcome back, Bunny!)
It seems to me (unless I am missing his point) that his scumread on me is based on my Fruit Vending.

Don't forget, bun, that the roles in this game are not AI. I do agree that FV would be more useful to scum than to town. That doesn't mean they chose it though. I do agree also that it is pretty useless to us. I gave fruit twice, and all it was able to confirm is that i gave fruit to someone. ::shrug:: I don't think that even as a water-muddying-role, this occupation would have been that helpful to scum. Especially if they focused on removing from us the tracking-observing type roles.

It's true, it isn't AI. I'm still stuck on you for your posts when sugar lows affected your mental state. I probably need a reset there.

It wasn't JUST that you're fruit vendor. It was that you were fruit vendor asking for double voter to claim while saying "our doctors can protect him." It was as if you completely forgot the one application of your role (just after you posted you HAD an idea how to play your role).

did i miss something about how the FV works?

FV is protective. Read FH.

[TheMadMonarch]

So, things have gone up and down on this, should the UB/Governor claim?

It was a big question a while ago, but it kinda dies off.

To my eyes @Macca you have all but claimed it in any case lol.

Yeah, I think everyone has this suspicion by now lol

See: my reply to Damo

[dargorygel]

Regarding Bunny (welcome back, Bunny!)
It seems to me (unless I am missing his point) that his scumread on me is based on my Fruit Vending.

Don't forget, bun, that the roles in this game are not AI. I do agree that FV would be more useful to scum than to town. That doesn't mean they chose it though. I do agree also that it is pretty useless to us. I gave fruit twice, and all it was able to confirm is that i gave fruit to someone. ::shrug:: I don't think that even as a water-muddying-role, this occupation would have been that helpful to scum. Especially if they focused on removing from us the tracking-observing type roles.

It's true, it isn't AI. I'm still stuck on you for your posts when sugar lows affected your mental state. I probably need a reset there.

It wasn't JUST that you're fruit vendor. It was that you were fruit vendor asking for double voter to claim while saying "our doctors can protect him." It was as if you completely forgot the one application of your role (just after you posted you HAD an idea how to play your role).

did i miss something about how the FV works?

Darg's tinfoil hat of the day:
I find bunny's focus on FV interesting. It's like he pushed in the Mafia QT to get the role, but lost the argument. He assumes it is a scum role, maybe because he WANTED it to be.

[Vecna]

I wouldnt be too surprised if the scumteam is actually just Macca-Kgray-Ghug-Chaqa

Either chaqa or ghug could be replaced by -maybe- rdrivera/Damo

rdrivera/damo...
I have strongly townread damo all game. I even changed my 'use plan' for my fruit based on HIS (and others' description/advice... but really mostly HIS not performing as i expected...) announcement of the fruit. This morning, I am thinking that I have some bias going. His argument about Jamie is faulty, yes. I am not sure that is AI, though. He is picking holes in the prevailing reasoning, but that is very damo, yes? I am not ready to vote for him.

rdrivera has not made an impression on me. It doesn't seem likely to me that scum would choose that role. But maybe teacon (et al) are right. IF scum had chosen rdr's role, it would have had the result we presently have. Rdr seems 'safe.' AND he would have low-boiled the entire game? I don't know... he might have, as scum, tried to take an active town-leader persona.

I do not really see either likely.

You did never explain your "use plan' either. The only 'use plan' I see could be to negate a doctor save...

You probably are misunderstanding the FV action. It does nothing beside just sent some flavourtext to a person, it has the potential to be flagged by my role, and it prevents scum from doing both fruit'ing and faction-action in the same night.

Its just a negative utility role for scum if it gets down to 1 person

[dargorygel]

It's true, it isn't AI. I'm still stuck on you for your posts when sugar lows affected your mental state. I probably need a reset there.

It wasn't JUST that you're fruit vendor. It was that you were fruit vendor asking for double voter to claim while saying "our doctors can protect him." It was as if you completely forgot the one application of your role (just after you posted you HAD an idea how to play your role).

did i miss something about how the FV works?

FV is protective. Read FH.

I, of course, saw it was labeled protective. I couldn't make sense of it. I saw it, in the end, as protective of ME. (Let's ME be able to claim something, after relationships were formed.) It is more likely though that it was added to the mix to obscure movement evidence.

[dargorygel]

rdrivera/damo...
I have strongly townread damo all game. I even changed my 'use plan' for my fruit based on HIS (and others' description/advice... but really mostly HIS not performing as i expected...) announcement of the fruit. This morning, I am thinking that I have some bias going. His argument about Jamie is faulty, yes. I am not sure that is AI, though. He is picking holes in the prevailing reasoning, but that is very damo, yes? I am not ready to vote for him.

rdrivera has not made an impression on me. It doesn't seem likely to me that scum would choose that role. But maybe teacon (et al) are right. IF scum had chosen rdr's role, it would have had the result we presently have. Rdr seems 'safe.' AND he would have low-boiled the entire game? I don't know... he might have, as scum, tried to take an active town-leader persona.

I do not really see either likely.

You did never explain your "use plan' either. The only 'use plan' I see could be to negate a doctor save...

You probably are misunderstanding the FV action. It does nothing beside just sent some flavourtext to a person, it has the potential to be flagged by my role, and it prevents scum from doing both fruit'ing and faction-action in the same night.

Its just a negative utility role for scum if it gets down to 1 person

So why would they choose it at all? I noted that they FV can't do anything BUT FV... so it just LIMITS them?

[Vecna]

rdrivera/damo...
I have strongly townread damo all game. I even changed my 'use plan' for my fruit based on HIS (and others' description/advice... but really mostly HIS not performing as i expected...) announcement of the fruit. This morning, I am thinking that I have some bias going. His argument about Jamie is faulty, yes. I am not sure that is AI, though. He is picking holes in the prevailing reasoning, but that is very damo, yes? I am not ready to vote for him.

rdrivera has not made an impression on me. It doesn't seem likely to me that scum would choose that role. But maybe teacon (et al) are right. IF scum had chosen rdr's role, it would have had the result we presently have. Rdr seems 'safe.' AND he would have low-boiled the entire game? I don't know... he might have, as scum, tried to take an active town-leader persona.

I do not really see either likely.

You did never explain your "use plan' either. The only 'use plan' I see could be to negate a doctor save...

I did describe that. My "use plan" was to use the FV to send out fruit to my top townreads... and if/when they eventually townread me, I could be confirmed. This was NOT a 'wow what a great plan' idea. I just couldn't figure out what to do with it. I expected that only scum would announce they got a fruit. Mostly, now in retrospect, because of the way I saw my use of fruit. SO when I sent my fruit to my top towhnread, and he ANNOUNCED it... i had to go back and read him. I still didn't see scum in him. AND the reasons that he (and others) gave about the use of my FV made some sense. But with some hesitation I sent fruit again.... to my top town read. And THIS person acted Like I had hinted/stated was my expectation (silence... but with a subtle hint) But having hinted/stated, I wasn't sure how to read it. Fruit Vendor meet Wifom. The room seemed to think I should not muddy the movement-waters at night with fruit, so I did not send it N3.

Ehm......what?

You need to keep sending fruit every single night. To a strong townread preferably.

It helps any potential trackers that we do have narrow down scum. If you cannot be the one doing scum actions, it lowers the pool of people that can.

Ergo, sending fruit is pro-town

Trackers shouldnt be on you regardless

[dargorygel]

Considering moving to bunny.
Could he have been sent in like the cavalry to ease pressure of the wagons?