M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Chaqa]

@darg: What if UB was on scum and theyre trying to make us waste our daykill on Kgray today?

Another reason to poop on macca instead

I don't understand this idea. Are you wondering if scum has the UB role? (and therefore would want us to daykill (tr) kgray?
Wouldn't the UB role already be used up? How would killing kgray benifit them/hurt us in that light?

The UB is now the night governor. The way certain people are insistent to kill Kgray today (and over Macca) really fits with Kgray being UB that activated on herself so she cannot be daykilled today.

OOOOOOOH.

[kgray]

Concerning macca.
I realize that he is fairly (but not completely) inexperienced. But that is not a free pass.

I noted before the 'connection' with kgray. Their (Macca's) response was a quick denial, including a vote-record-quote, and a diversion. And then now a vote for kgray.

I have been townreading kgray until this morning. But a) I am not satisfied with the potential buddying of me. b) I am now agreeing that kgray's digging this game has been surface (other than a couple of particular angry bouts.)

Today looks to me like a hooked scum, trying to spit out the hook.

##VOTE Macca

Et tu, darg? How is what I'm doing any more surface than what others are doing?

I have already explained my townread of you and I don't understand why that's less compelling to you than, for example, Vecna's insistence that seth is town. Or Chaqa's that ghug is town. Or yours that damo is town. Are you, Chaqa, me and Vecna all scum who are buddying someone?

Yeah, Julius Kaesargray, it makes me sad too. You were my #2 townread (as you know...) You HAVE explained your townread, and your explanation makes sense to me, because you are right. What has started bothering me though is the enthusiasm about it. It has started to feel like you 'know' more than you can 'know.' It is a gut feeling, that never seems to waiver. So now I am wondering if you are scummily setting up an "I told y'all so" moment when I flip town.

(Your comparison examples bear some merit. But I have questioned vecna about his seth read, and found it is not as strong as he implied. And Chaqa usually plays like that. He often seems boundlessly sure with invisible reasons. YOU do not usually play like that.

Add to that the interaction(s) with macca.

So I am voting for macca. His flip will inform my further read of you.

I guess I just thought we were vibing. And from what I know of you in general, you are a genuine person. I didn't get anything different from that here, especially not that you seemed uncomfortable or forced. I questioned my read of you near EoD2, but that was explained. But okay, I can understand your suspicions.

And I will only say "I told you so" if we get scum!Chaqa

[dargorygel]

the idea is probably a bit too convenient though. Scum being the first 3 on the wagon when that power pops off would look hella suspect.

Ofcourse noone would think theyd be the first 3 of the wagon and wifom would never lead to suspicious being on the first 3 votes, but still.

Yeah, wifom indeed.

[Chaqa]

Oh, NOW someone else thinks UB could be a scum role.

Vecna, do you just parrot my ideas thinking their your own?

Ive been agreeing/pushing since the start with the notion scum likely took any combination of Diarist/trackers/UB to deny all investigative power to town

That seems plausible.

[kgray]

I was thinking a bit about Maniac and who scum likely thought he was going to shoot. The initial list he gave was:

Vecna
Chaqa
Bunny
Ghug
Seth

Which got narrowed down to Chaqa and Seth. He also voted kgray and hinted Dargo could be a target (I think?)

I would have expected Maniac's shot to go to one of these three people. Mafia would likely not kill Maniac at that point if they were super-concerned about him shooting one of their own. It's a slight point in kgray's favor, as well as Seth (and mine, from other perspectives, I would think).

Curious to see Vecna, Jamie, and ghug's thoughts on this. Is it WIFOM, or did you guys think Maniac would shoot someone he never mentioned?

We know that Jamie was Maniac's target don't we?

Are you for real?

[Vecna]

I forgot about the governor.

This is a possibility, regarding the 'bus.' Not simply a mad all out bus ride, but keeps the daykill alive.

It would make kgray pretty scum, if kgray survives the daykill.

Hence why she would have to be UB then to avoid another one being dragged down after a massclaim

Anyway, this is just me going ham with the conspiracy theory. I should stop

[dargorygel]

I forgot about the governor.

This is a possibility, regarding the 'bus.' Not simply a mad all out bus ride, but keeps the daykill alive.

It would make kgray pretty scum, if kgray survives the daykill.

Hence why she would have to be UB then to avoid another one being dragged down after a massclaim

Anyway, this is just me going ham with the conspiracy theory. I should stop

perhaps pettily... it makes me even MORE want to stay on macca first. To deny them their power-use and the 'fun' of an accomplished plan.

[damo666]

I was thinking a bit about Maniac and who scum likely thought he was going to shoot. The initial list he gave was:

Vecna
Chaqa
Bunny
Ghug
Seth

Which got narrowed down to Chaqa and Seth. He also voted kgray and hinted Dargo could be a target (I think?)

I would have expected Maniac's shot to go to one of these three people. Mafia would likely not kill Maniac at that point if they were super-concerned about him shooting one of their own. It's a slight point in kgray's favor, as well as Seth (and mine, from other perspectives, I would think).

Curious to see Vecna, Jamie, and ghug's thoughts on this. Is it WIFOM, or did you guys think Maniac would shoot someone he never mentioned?

We know that Jamie was Maniac's target don't we?

Are you for real?

What? What have I done? Am I being thick or something?

[Jamiet99uk]

Would it be useful for me to announce who I saved on N1 and N2?

I'd still like to know why you thought I was confirmed town for a second.

Ok. I will answer this, but of course you'll have to take my word for this.

I protected you, Ghug, on N1. At EoD2, the GM (Donny) sent me a PM saying "You successfully protected Ghug".

I initially assumed this must mean that you had been targeted by the Mafia for a kill, and I had saved your life. This puzzled me because it would have meant the Mafia had two kills. I assumed there was some mechanic which allowed them to pay some of their credits to get a one off extra kill. I sent the GM a message asking for this to be clarified.

While I was waiting for the GMs to reply to this query, I assumed that you were guaranteed town, because the GM's message made me think you had been attacked.

A little later, DonnyGM replied to my query, and clarified that his first message was only meant to confirm that my action did not *fail*, i.e. I was not Roleblocked and did not collide with the other FH.

Hope that makes sense?

[Vecna]

the fact neither kgray or chaqa called me out on doing a classic vecna stupid move again though.....

Normally I get called out for being that history channel guy when I do such stuff

[Jamiet99uk]

^SoD2 , not EoD2, sorry.

[kgray]

We know that Jamie was Maniac's target don't we?

Are you for real?

What? What have I done? Am I being thick or something?

I thought you were implying that you thought there was a chance that Jamie was not Maniac's target. I now think you were pointing out the flaw in Chaqa's logic. Never mind.

[Vecna]

Would it be useful for me to announce who I saved on N1 and N2?

I'd still like to know why you thought I was confirmed town for a second.

Ok. I will answer this, but of course you'll have to take my word for this.

I protected you, Ghug, on N1. At EoD2, the GM (Donny) sent me a PM saying "You successfully protected Ghug".

I initially assumed this must mean that you had been targeted by the Mafia for a kill, and I had saved your life. This puzzled me because it would have meant the Mafia had two kills. I assumed there was some mechanic which allowed them to pay some of their credits to get a one off extra kill. I sent the GM a message asking for this to be clarified.

While I was waiting for the GMs to reply to this query, I assumed that you were guaranteed town, because the GM's message made me think you had been attacked.

A little later, DonnyGM replied to my query, and clarified that his first message was only meant to confirm that my action did not *fail*, i.e. I was not Roleblocked and did not collide with the other FH.

Hope that makes sense?

And youre sure you didnt misinterpret the gm result during this night?

[rdrivera2005]

I was thinking a bit about Maniac and who scum likely thought he was going to shoot. The initial list he gave was:

Vecna
Chaqa
Bunny
Ghug
Seth

Which got narrowed down to Chaqa and Seth. He also voted kgray and hinted Dargo could be a target (I think?)

I would have expected Maniac's shot to go to one of these three people. Mafia would likely not kill Maniac at that point if they were super-concerned about him shooting one of their own. It's a slight point in kgray's favor, as well as Seth (and mine, from other perspectives, I would think).

Curious to see Vecna, Jamie, and ghug's thoughts on this. Is it WIFOM, or did you guys think Maniac would shoot someone he never mentioned?

This is exactly what I said early. Scum Nkilling Maniac point for them being comfortable with his possible targets.

[Vecna]

Are you for real?

What? What have I done? Am I being thick or something?

I thought you were implying that you thought there was a chance that Jamie was not Maniac's target. I now think you were pointing out the flaw in Chaqa's logic. Never mind.

its ok Kgray, we understand youre rattled because your entire scum team and plan has just unravelled

( )

[damo666]

Would it be useful for me to announce who I saved on N1 and N2?

I'd still like to know why you thought I was confirmed town for a second.

Ok. I will answer this, but of course you'll have to take my word for this.

I protected you, Ghug, on N1. At EoD2, the GM (Donny) sent me a PM saying "You successfully protected Ghug".

I initially assumed this must mean that you had been targeted by the Mafia for a kill, and I had saved your life. This puzzled me because it would have meant the Mafia had two kills. I assumed there was some mechanic which allowed them to pay some of their credits to get a one off extra kill. I sent the GM a message asking for this to be clarified.

While I was waiting for the GMs to reply to this query, I assumed that you were guaranteed town, because the GM's message made me think you had been attacked.

A little later, DonnyGM replied to my query, and clarified that his first message was only meant to confirm that my action did not *fail*, i.e. I was not Roleblocked and did not collide with the other FH.

Hope that makes sense?

Woah !!! Getting said message doesn't mean there was an attempt on your protectee? This contradicts what you said earlier. If this is true you/we cannot know for sure you were Maniac's target can we?

I'm confused.

[kgray]

the fact neither kgray or chaqa called me out on doing a classic vecna stupid move again though.....

Normally I get called out for being that history channel guy when I do such stuff

I am trying to avoid commenting because I don't want to be accused of being an idiot who is giving too much info to the scumteam

Also, this conspiracy stuff is what I expect from town!Vecna. Very reminiscent of worcej's last role madness game.

[Chaqa]

the fact neither kgray or chaqa called me out on doing a classic vecna stupid move again though.....

Normally I get called out for being that history channel guy when I do such stuff

The last few days have kinda overloaded me on the stupidity front

[Chaqa]

I was thinking a bit about Maniac and who scum likely thought he was going to shoot. The initial list he gave was:

Vecna
Chaqa
Bunny
Ghug
Seth

Which got narrowed down to Chaqa and Seth. He also voted kgray and hinted Dargo could be a target (I think?)

I would have expected Maniac's shot to go to one of these three people. Mafia would likely not kill Maniac at that point if they were super-concerned about him shooting one of their own. It's a slight point in kgray's favor, as well as Seth (and mine, from other perspectives, I would think).

Curious to see Vecna, Jamie, and ghug's thoughts on this. Is it WIFOM, or did you guys think Maniac would shoot someone he never mentioned?

This is exactly what I said early. Scum Nkilling Maniac point for them being comfortable with his possible targets.

Exactly.

[Vecna]

youre no fun