M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[ghug]

It’s absolutely astonishing to me that YOU of all people aren’t trying to get clarity on this.

The role is clear to me as it stands. I believe my interpretation of the role PM is the only sensible one, and is in accordance with the way that role is listed on the two main Mafia Wikis. I do not feel further clarification was needed, and I am annoyed at your ceaseless whinging and shouting and hectoring the GM. You are being an ass and I urge you to stop.

And yet the Vengeful behaving differently is fine with you?

The Jamie I know would be calling for blood over this. Is there perhaps some alignment reason you’re okay with this interpretation? Hmmmm

I doubt Jamie is scum with the Universal Backup given his reaction to Bunny discussing the governor.

I think it's more likely that Jamie is taking offense here because bozo and Durga and Donny and I asked him about two million questions in last game's mafia QT because bo write his setup poorly and left his co-GM holding the bag.

[ghug]

Wrote*

[Jamiet99uk]

It’s absolutely astonishing to me that YOU of all people aren’t trying to get clarity on this.

The role is clear to me as it stands. I believe my interpretation of the role PM is the only sensible one, and is in accordance with the way that role is listed on the two main Mafia Wikis. I do not feel further clarification was needed, and I am annoyed at your ceaseless whinging and shouting and hectoring the GM. You are being an ass and I urge you to stop.

And yet the Vengeful behaving differently is fine with you?

The Jamie I know would be calling for blood over this. Is there perhaps some alignment reason you’re okay with this interpretation? Hmmmm

The GMs reserve the right to adjudicate individual scenarios that arise during the course of the game at their discretion.

[Jamiet99uk]

And yet the Vengeful behaving differently is fine with you?

The Jamie I know would be calling for blood over this. Is there perhaps some alignment reason you’re okay with this interpretation? Hmmmm

I doubt Jamie is scum with the Universal Backup given his reaction to Bunny discussing the governor.

I think it's more likely that Jamie is taking offense here because bozo and Durga and Donny and I asked him about two million questions in last game's mafia QT because bo write his setup poorly and left his co-GM holding the bag.

You might think that.
I couldn't possibly comment.

[Jamiet99uk]

I would like to stop arguing about the rules now.

I would like to find scum.

Chaqa going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the Universal Backup mechanics does not help us to do that.

[ghug]

I would like to stop arguing about the rules now.

I would like to find scum.

Chaqa going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the Universal Backup mechanics does not help us to do that.

Didn't know you were such a Journey fan.

[damo666]

I would like to stop arguing about the rules now.

I would like to find scum.

Chaqa going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the Universal Backup mechanics does not help us to do that.

Quoting this just to annoy Jamie

[damo666]

Ok no more quoting Jamie's silly post

[Jamiet99uk]

I would like to stop arguing about the rules now.

I would like to find scum.

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Didn't know you were such a Journey fan.

You'd better not stop believing I am.

[ghug]

Jamie, why haven't you yet accepted bo_sox48 as the mafia's Lord and Saviour*?

*Spelled it your way just for you

[Jamiet99uk]

I would like to stop arguing about the rules now.

I would like to find scum.

Chaqa going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and imagine if I used this to crumb my actual role and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and I am the [redacted] on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the Universal Backup mechanics does not help us to do that.

Quting this just to annoy Jamie

I assure you this annoys me much less than what Chaqa was doing.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie, why haven't you yet accepted bo_sox48 as the mafia's Lord and Saviour*?

*Spelled it your way just for you

I'm not sure what you mean?

Is this an actual question or just more shitposting?

If you want to actually ask me something about Bo_Sox could you make your question clearer? You're very good at making yourself clear, as we established during the night phase.

[worcej]

##CALLGM

Maybe I'm being dense, but I don't feel like you've resolved the ambiguity. If the UB's ability doesn't trigger on the first player eliminated because that player doesn't have abilities, does it trigger on the next player eliminated, or never?

GM Note:
Fair point - yes the ability would trigger at the next opportunity.

[ghug]

Jamie, why haven't you yet accepted bo_sox48 as the mafia's Lord and Saviour*?

*Spelled it your way just for you

I'm not sure what you mean?

Is this an actual question or just more shitposting?

If you want to actually ask me something about Bo_Sox could you make your question clearer? You're very good at making yourself clear, as we established during the night phase.

Your poor reading comprehension is your problem, though I suppose it's also mine if I'm stuck communicating with you.

I find bo's behavior very scummy. Have you come around to that viewpoint yet? If not, what's holding you back?

[worcej]

You are the Universal Backup. You will assume the powers of the first person to be eliminated. If the person did not have powers, your ability does not trigger. If the role had charges, you gain the same amount of charges as the player had when they were eliminated. If the role had no charges when they were eliminated, you do not gain their role.

Highlighted what I think is the critical detail

GM Note:
The sentence you highlighted is generally true. However the following sentences in the role description qualified scenarios where it wouldn't trigger.

##ProtestGM: Then as it is written the UB should ever gain powers. Nothing allows for them to get the “next” set of powers.

GM Note:
Your protest is noted, however your reasoning is flawed (because the rest of the UB ability describes when it does not trigger) and comes from a place of no authority

[dargorygel]

As I see the maniac game, it is NOT going to (or have to) END on our signalling vote.

So between them, I find seth more scummy (which does not mean I am happy with chaqa.)

##VOTE SETH24C

[dargorygel]

And we seem to be saying to Maniac that any way he wants it, that's the way he needs it.

[dargorygel]

@darg, I'm not sure you should be sending fruit to your townreads. It could mess with the faith healers.

Thanks... I AM rethinking my plan. I do not want to interfere with protections. I probably won't be sending any more fruit.

[ghug]

Why do you think it's worthwhile to play Maniac's game, darg?

[dargorygel]

Jamie, why haven't you yet accepted bo_sox48 as the mafia's Lord and Saviour*?

*Spelled it your way just for you

I'm not sure what you mean?

Is this an actual question or just more shitposting?

If you want to actually ask me something about Bo_Sox could you make your question clearer? You're very good at making yourself clear, as we established during the night phase.

Your poor reading comprehension is your problem, though I suppose it's also mine if I'm stuck communicating with you.

I find bo's behavior very scummy. Have you come around to that viewpoint yet? If not, what's holding you back?

@ghug. I have mentioned that I find your view that I am scum a bit weak. All you have written so far is gut feeling, really. I interpret that as meaning that I am not your top scum read. But is your bo-accusation something more than gut feeling? If you have already written something, I will dig around for it. OR you could just tell me here.