M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Vecna]

There's something wonderfully poetic about Voyeur Vecna watching himself.

I know, right?

Anyways, scum likely tracked me last night, so they were going to think I was self-doctoring most likely and kill me tomorrow, so better I just share what I know.

[Jamiet99uk]

You think the healers don't know who they visited?

I think healers don't know who the other healer visited. So if Vecna claims a healer visited him, then Healer A would assume that Healer B did the visit and Healer B would assume that Healer A did the visit.

What are you even talking about? The healer who did not visit Vecna would obviously know that they did not visit Vecna and are therefore "the other healer."

This is all irrelevant anyway because Vecna was not saved last night.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ah I see Maniac claims vengeful.

We think this is a scum claim, yes?

That is, it may be his correct role - but if we daykill him today, then we are handing scum a double NK tonight, in effect.

Clever play, Maniac.

[damo666]

N2 Flavor:
The game continues on through the night. The video cameras watch all the active players as the hunters make their way to their kill. They find a lone gladiator off in the distance, looking confused. The hunters pounce and he is taken care of swiftly.

teacon7 HAS DIED. HE WAS THE TOWN 1-Shot Gladiator!

The radio channels for the film crew light up. They detect a rules violation after the contestants were given firm warnings. The Mastermind sighs and tells his crew to deal with the rule breaker.

Hamilton Brian HAS DIED. HE HAS BEEN MOD-KILLED FOR RULE VIOLATING AFTER A FINAL WARNING WAS ISSUED. He was the Town 2-Shot Neighborizer.

Day 3 has begun. You may now post.

man, I did see it yesterday while drinking, but this is really ridiculous. It does not impact the game at all, just 2 mins late, was not intentional at all, yet it completely fucks us in the ass

It is not ridiculous. It is unfortunate.
HB started his post saying he was typing at EON and given the length of post and its timestamp of 02 HB must have known (or at least strongly suspected) the post was after EON when he hit 'Submit'.

It's a nuisance for town but I support the decision. Rules are rules.

If people want to post a read list at the last minute have it pre prepared, not start to type it up at the last minute.

My townread on Vecna weakens. I smell faux outrage.

[Jamiet99uk]

Kgray, why did you kill poor Bozo and Teacon?

Why are you voting kgray? Why have you publicly abdicated your ability to move this vote to a unanimous triumvae? Why did you not join the kgray wagon yesterday when it had legs? Why not the Maniac wagon? In your post you only offered HR and dargo as the choices which was patently false.

Chaqa is scum.

[Vecna]

@Bozo

I'd recruit and take both trackers to spend my $90, and then go into debt to take the 1-Shot Follower as well, which would leave me with -$3, which you just NK N1 to get yourself back out of debt.

Maybe I'd consider also taking the Universal Backup and NK'ing a couple more times. Essentially the goal would be to make the scum team completely immune to being investigated.

@Vecna I couldn't find your answer to bozo anywhere. You didn't post it Day 1. Found this answer though.

I guess they must have done a variant of that because they still haven't held a NK...so either they're living on the edge, or they took something cheaper along with it.

the specifics are unclear, it just heavily points towards the investigative snatch strategy.

Its ofcourse possible I was investigated by town, but I strongly doubt that is what happened. Much more likely scum just wanted to know how priority of a kill target I am.

Full disclosure: I was targeted by exactly one doctor, and two investigatives (one of them being myself).

If I do die tomorrow its likely that the recruitment randomed the doctor (or the doc is just like, fuck u vecna, wifom time, youre not that important anyways, which is also, fair).

[Maniac]

Ah I see Maniac claims vengeful.

We think this is a scum claim, yes?

That is, it may be his correct role - but if we daykill him today, then we are handing scum a double NK tonight, in effect.

Clever play, Maniac.

I thought you’d resigned from the stupid committee. At this rate they’ll make you life president

[damo666]

Ah I see Maniac claims vengeful.

We think this is a scum claim, yes?

That is, it may be his correct role - but if we daykill him today, then we are handing scum a double NK tonight, in effect.

Clever play, Maniac.

Are you gonna play his little voting game?

[Vecna]

@Bozo

I'd recruit and take both trackers to spend my $90, and then go into debt to take the 1-Shot Follower as well, which would leave me with -$3, which you just NK N1 to get yourself back out of debt.

Maybe I'd consider also taking the Universal Backup and NK'ing a couple more times. Essentially the goal would be to make the scum team completely immune to being investigated.

@Vecna I couldn't find your answer to bozo anywhere. You didn't post it Day 1. Found this answer though.

I guess they must have done a variant of that because they still haven't held a NK...so either they're living on the edge, or they took something cheaper along with it.

hmm...unless Vecna scum and scum have a healer?

Another option is town shot at town!vecna...

Is it possible town killed teacon and scum tried to kill Vecna?

I'm taking on faith that Vecna was saved since a healer would know he saved him. That said...there are 2 healers, and they might EACH think the other saved him...

That'd be tricky...

I wasnt saved, just visited

[damo666]

@Jamie if Maniac is scum then they probably didn't recruit so that's a positive.

[Vecna]

##CALL GM how does the Governor work? Can we not vote the target at all? Is there an announcement? If the target is the leading vote getter, then does the 2nd place automatically die or does nobody die?

The Governor is dead, Bunny.

It was Bozo.

He's dead.

universal backup jamiet

[Jamiet99uk]

Ah I see Maniac claims vengeful.

We think this is a scum claim, yes?

That is, it may be his correct role - but if we daykill him today, then we are handing scum a double NK tonight, in effect.

Clever play, Maniac.

I thought you’d resigned from the stupid committee. At this rate they’ll make you life president

Ah, I see. You must select your target before your death.

I'm sure I was in a game once where the Vengeful got to select a kill *after* they died. Mind you, it was a specific town role in that setup so I guess this is different...


"You are the Vengeful. During the day phase, you may select a target. If you do, when you are eliminated that player will also be eliminated with you."

Hmmmm.

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM how does the Governor work? Can we not vote the target at all? Is there an announcement? If the target is the leading vote getter, then does the 2nd place automatically die or does nobody die?

The Governor is dead, Bunny.

It was Bozo.

He's dead.

universal backup jamiet

Yes ok, thank you for repeating what two other people already said.

Sorry Bunny.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ah I see Maniac claims vengeful.

We think this is a scum claim, yes?

That is, it may be his correct role - but if we daykill him today, then we are handing scum a double NK tonight, in effect.

Clever play, Maniac.

Are you gonna play his little voting game?

Fine. ##VOTE CHAQA

And I suggest the people remaining on Chaqa's voting committee instruct him to vote for himself because lulz.

[Vecna]

I'm off work the next two days, so I'll try to do some VCA on the day 1/2 wagons tomorrow morning.

please dont

[Vecna]

Hey @@Flum, I'd like to try out the messages. Can you explain your thoughts about Jamie? There are 13 players left. In alphabetical order, vote us once for the corresponding letter in first half of the alphabet. Vote us twice for corresponding letter in second half. So for example:

##Vote bo = A
##Vote Bun = B
## VOTE Cha = C
## VOTE dam = D
## VOTE dar = E
## VOTE ghu = F
## vote jam = G
##vote kgr = H
##vote Mac = I
## vote Man = J
##vote rdr = K
##vote set = L
##vote vecna = M

and

##vote bo
##vote bo = N
##Vote Bun
##Vote Bun = O
## VOTE Cha
## VOTE Cha = P
## VOTE dam
## VOTE dam = Q
## VOTE dar
## VOTE dar = R
## VOTE ghu
## VOTE ghu = S
## vote jam
## vote jam = T
##vote kgr
##vote kgr = U
##vote Mac
##vote Mac = V
## vote Man
## vote Man = W
##vote rdr
##vote rdr = X
##vote set
##vote set = Y
##vote vecna
##vote vecna = Z

Does that make sense? Can you send me a :

##vote set
##vote set
##vote dar
##vote ghu
##vote ghu
##vote Mac
##vote jam
##vote jam
##vote dam
##vote Bun
##vote Bun
##vote dar
##vote ghu
##vote ghu
?

I maintain that changing cases is against the spirit of the role.

agreed, just stop and let flum do his thing. Its very easy to sheep him if you put so much faith in his ability after he does vote.

[Vecna]

Because otherwise he can do nothing for the rest of the day and use you three as an excuse for why he doesn't have to make other reads or push cases or contribute in any meaningful way to solving the game.

And? Water wet, sky blue, Chaqa coasting.

Are you always this worked up when people vote for you?

See, I knew that this little detail would get her all upset.

She's upset and worried not about the fact I'm voting for her (because she can't defend her scumminess), but the fact that I'm putting releasing my vote on other people, which means she has to convince *FOUR* people she isn't scummy, when we can all see she is.

She's deflecting and it's becsause I caught scum.

this is the first time this game where I feel chaqa -might- actually be town

[Vecna]

See, I knew that this little detail would get her all upset.

She's upset and worried not about the fact I'm voting for her (because she can't defend her scumminess), but the fact that I'm putting releasing my vote on other people, which means she has to convince *FOUR* people she isn't scummy, when we can all see she is.

She's deflecting and it's becsause I caught scum.

I don't care if they think I'm scummy. I care that they're fine with letting you not even pretend to solve the game.

Not trying to pretend to solve?

I've got five people I'm solidly townreading (six if HB hadn't gotten himelf killed -_-) and a few ideas about scum:
1. You
2. Rivera (Maniac if Rivera)
3. Assumptive lurker scum type (Macca, Damo, Seth, etc.)

Minus seth, I could totally see it. I guess

[Vecna]

@Vecna, what possessed you to make your little semiclaim?

@@Flum, top few scumreads, five Jamie votes, top few townreads, five Jamie votes, please.

@kgray, wouldn't I be giving Chaqa more cover for an action if I told him not to sheep you?

@bo you're actually the worst

Well for starters I was drinking last night. But it was the right thing to do regardless.

If im right, scum visited me with an investigative and was going to kill me tomorrow for thinking im a doctor. I couldve just let that happen, but I dont like dying, and this is probably more beneficial to town (giving them the info that might deduce shit later on down the line). Just openly calling for a doctor to be on me might even be enough to keep scum away (but please dont play with my life mr doctor).

If im wrong, and it was a town investigative being suspicious about me for some reason, well now you can realize that scum would probably not be taking this useless role at -2, and otherwise be actually figuring out who they can easily kill by tracking doc usage.

[Vecna]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:

I'm Vengeful

How do i verify this? Well you're all going to kill me today.

Before you do, you have to decide who I'm going to take with me.

So you must all now vote only for the following people

Vecna
Chaqa
Bunny
Ghug
Seth

At EOD -27hrs, I'll remove 1 person from that list.
At EOD -26hrs, I'll remove another person from that list
At EOD -25hrs, I'll remove a third person from that list

The vote count at EOD -24hrs will determine who I take with me.

I will obviously be weighting the voting so if I think you're scum you're vote will count less than if I think you're solid town.

I won't be commenting on why I have selected these people. I don't want you all to repeat my thoughts back to me. Go out and make your own cases on these five people.

Many of you will say I've gone too early, perhaps, but some solid town reads have indicated that I'm high on their scum list. Mafia could have anywhere between 3-5 votes. They could so easily get me killed today, so I need (we need) a good town kill.

See you all at EOD - 27hrs.

@@Flum - obviously just vote for one of these. Don't sheep anyone.

so why the fuck would you claim this? if those people wrongly scumread you and do get you lynched, you still get to use your vengeful. If you somehow get down to lylo, and vengeful shit is so usefull to increase town win chances. Imagine actually getting NK'd at some point

This was bloody dumb