M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Jamiet99uk]

The scum roles are random;y distributed aren't they, once they have been selected and another scum recruited (if that happened)

No, they get to pick which roles they will have, apart from the recruit.

[Maniac]

@teacon - oh yes. I had seen that because i read everything. Obviously I was trying to townslip

[Jamiet99uk]

bonus points to dargorygil for stating the bleeding obvious.

The later joiners are less likely to be the double voter.

What did Dargorygel say? I'm not sure which of his posts you are referring to.

[ghug]

Something I haven't seen discussed yet:

Final Vote Count:
Fluminator (9) BunnyGo, Jamiet99uk, dargorygel, damo666, kgray, seth24c, Maniac, teacon7, 'The Double Vote'
Jamiet99uk (5) ghug, Fluminator, Chaqa, Hamilton Brian, bo_sox48
teacon7 (2) Vecna, rdrivera2005
ghug (1) Macca573
BunnyGo (1) bozotheclown

The doublevoter is in this pool:
BunnyGo,
Jamiet99uk,
dargorygel,
damo666,
kgray,
seth24c,
Maniac,
teacon7,

I don't know whether we need to find that person or really talk about it, but whomever you are, please work to avoid ties.

This is not necessarily true.

[Maniac]

Has night ended - should we stop posting?

[seth24c]

In conclusion, the majority of responses included some form of town telling, so I think some of these responses include fake town tells. In my opinion, some of the more questionable of these responses were those of seth, Hamilton, ghug, kgray, and bo_sox.

Of these people, you said that me, seth, and Hamilton (and Chaqa, I see you meant to include here) gave incomplete responses. You are calling every "incomplete" response questionable. Yet you also included Flum's response as an example of a known town response, but did not point out that his answer was also incomplete.

You seem to be drawing the conclusion that it is scummy to not give a detailed analysis of the mafia mechanics and their best move. I understand the assumption that scum would try to imply they didn't do this, but it is still unreasonable to expect town to do it. Scumreading people for this reason is pretty flawed, in general and also as proven with Flum's flip.

Yeah, who could imagine that a town player wouldn’t want to get dragged into an exercise that is clearly going to derail the conversation and takes time away from more potentially productive conversations.

[seth24c]

Has night ended - should we stop posting?

It ends in an hour I believe

[ghug]

Has night ended - should we stop posting?

There's another hour.

[kgray]

Are there any dissenters to feeling similar to RDR, about VCA around Flum being difficult to generate any information from?

RDR, before I get back into reading previous posts, are there particular reasons for Seth and Teacon being on your scum reads?

Is Bozo out of character for you?

Teacon for the same reasons I voted him on D1 and his vote on Flum didn't make me to scumread him less.

Seth vote on Flum is the other I don't feel organic, and I don't get any townie moments from him.

Kgray vote also makes me wonder a bit, but I suppose her feelings about last game could have played a part.

But like I said, the VCA isn't great with a large wagon. Townie points for Bo for tryng to shake things up.

I did not vote for Flum the second time because of the last game.

[Donny Dude]

Gm Note
Night ends in 53 minutesish

[teacon7]

I don't know whether we need to find that person or really talk about it, but whomever you are, please work to avoid ties.

This is not necessarily true.

Why would we want a tie?

[kgray]

That's fair context. What about Jamie drew you to him, other than the fact that he was the one dude left you didn't townread?

Do you mean what about Flum drew me to vote for him? Yeah it was more about having stronger feelings that Jamie was town. I didn't like the reasons Jamie was being pushed (including Flum's case) and especially when he returned from EOD I didn't see much that was different from town!Jamie.

I thought you made a point of agreeing with half of my arguments on Jamie.

I did agree with some of them about how he wasn't really fighting/pushing another wagon, but he was gone at the time which is what I thought was off. When he came back I no longer felt that way.

[seth24c]

Are there any dissenters to feeling similar to RDR, about VCA around Flum being difficult to generate any information from?

RDR, before I get back into reading previous posts, are there particular reasons for Seth and Teacon being on your scum reads?

Is Bozo out of character for you?

Teacon for the same reasons I voted him on D1 and his vote on Flum didn't make me to scumread him less.

Seth vote on Flum is the other I don't feel organic, and I don't get any townie moments from him.

Kgray vote also makes me wonder a bit, but I suppose her feelings about last game could have played a part.

But like I said, the VCA isn't great with a large wagon. Townie points for Bo for tryng to shake things up.

I did not vote for Flum the second time because of the last game.

Do you find it suspicious that rdr doesn’t seem to have an issue with that being (supposedly) the reasoning for your vote?

[Jamiet99uk]

Something I haven't seen discussed yet:

Final Vote Count:
Fluminator (9) BunnyGo, Jamiet99uk, dargorygel, damo666, kgray, seth24c, Maniac, teacon7, 'The Double Vote'
Jamiet99uk (5) ghug, Fluminator, Chaqa, Hamilton Brian, bo_sox48
teacon7 (2) Vecna, rdrivera2005
ghug (1) Macca573
BunnyGo (1) bozotheclown

The doublevoter is in this pool:
BunnyGo,
Jamiet99uk,
dargorygel,
damo666,
kgray,
seth24c,
Maniac,
teacon7,

I don't know whether we need to find that person or really talk about it, but whomever you are, please work to avoid ties.

This is not necessarily true.

Ghug might be on to something here.

Look carefully at the DoubleVoter description:

"You are the Double Voter. During the game, you have control of a secret vote called ‘The Double Vote’. You can place this vote by PMing the GMs your double vote target. During the final vote count of each day phase, this vote will be applied and listed as ‘The Double Vote’. If you are eliminated, ‘The Double Vote’ dies along with you."

##CALL GM: Does the DoubleVoter double their own vote, or can they use their power to cause another person's vote to be doubled? And, if so, does that work even if the other person is voting for a different suspect?

[ghug]

I don't know whether we need to find that person or really talk about it, but whomever you are, please work to avoid ties.

This is not necessarily true.

Why would we want a tie?

Your narrowed list isn't necessarily accurate.

It's also almost certainly a townie, so you really shouldn't be speculating.

[dargorygel]

Something I haven't seen discussed yet:

Final Vote Count:
Fluminator (9) BunnyGo, Jamiet99uk, dargorygel, damo666, kgray, seth24c, Maniac, teacon7, 'The Double Vote'
Jamiet99uk (5) ghug, Fluminator, Chaqa, Hamilton Brian, bo_sox48
teacon7 (2) Vecna, rdrivera2005
ghug (1) Macca573
BunnyGo (1) bozotheclown

The doublevoter is in this pool:
BunnyGo,
Jamiet99uk,
dargorygel,
damo666,
kgray,
seth24c,
Maniac,
teacon7,

I don't know whether we need to find that person or really talk about it, but whomever you are, please work to avoid ties.

This is not necessarily true.

wadda you mean, ghug?

[Jamiet99uk]

Like normally "doubling" would multiply something by two, not just add one. So what does it multiply?

[dargorygel]

@ghug.. nvm

[teacon7]

Do we still do EoN reads? You all should do EoN reads.

[seth24c]

This is not necessarily true.

Why would we want a tie?

Your narrowed list isn't necessarily accurate.

It's also almost certainly a townie, so you really shouldn't be speculating.

If it is town it would mean mafia definitely recruited... So we can expect them to be the cheaper roles most likely.