M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[teacon7]

@Flum and @teacon...knowing that D1s are usually a crapshoot.

Why do you feel you should not be eliminated today?

Because I know I'm town. Also because there are more interesting D1's out there.

Are you meaning to contrast flum/teacon as an either/or elimination for today?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Flum and @teacon...knowing that D1s are usually a crapshoot.

Why do you feel you should not be eliminated today?

Why are you not asking @Jamie too? This stinks.

I was getting to it, Bunny. Hold your cottontail.

@Jamie, anything more compelling than, "don't daykill me?"

Hi I'm back for EoD.

Yes, not only should you not daykill me because I am town, but also you should vote for Fluminator because he was legitimately trying to get a massclaim going which would have been highly beneficial to scum and not very beneficial at all to town.

[bo_sox48]

I'm actually a bit surprised this Jamiet wagon is working

You gonna jump off?

[BunnyGo]

WHY DID YOU VOTE TO END on Jamie when you first voted him?!

Not sure you were around...probably hadn't subbed Durga yet...but it was all under the Hammer the First 24 Hours plan that Jamie proposed.

Oh...mechanics. No, I didn't see all that. I showed up about 2-3 hours before being assigned a role. Just in time for teacon to tell me to vote for him...

[Chaqa]

Why are you not asking @Jamie too? This stinks.

I was getting to it, Bunny. Hold your cottontail.

@Jamie, anything more compelling than, "don't daykill me?"

Hi I'm back for EoD.

Yes, not only should you not daykill me because I am town, but also you should vote for Fluminator because he was legitimately trying to get a massclaim going which would have been highly beneficial to scum and not very beneficial at all to town.

This is a relatively convincing point.

Flum, why DID you try that?

[BunnyGo]

I'm actually a bit surprised this Jamiet wagon is working

That's a little sus.

Nah, town!Flum would say it outloud. And scum!Flum would say it as WIFOM. It's NAI.

[kgray]

@kgray - Did I miss a question you asked me? What else are you looking for?

What about Rivera specifically being Vanilla makes you think he's scum? It seems to me like you would be pushing that slot no matter who it was, which is what I don't like.

I think scum would pick the PV as a way to hide a "likely to be fearkilled" candidate. rivera fits that description, he's even said as much:

%%vote Durga, let's kill her D1 so I can survive past N1.

Again, here he is thinking about what would happen if a mafia member is in the "likely NK" category:

I was giving a second thought and I would have considered the Public Vanilla instead of the Fruit Vendor if scum have someone that isn't a likely NK.

He seems to see the PV role differently than I do. I think the PV would be a great place for a person who us usually NK'd early to hide when they're scum. It explains why they're still alive ... what scumteam nk's the vanilla?

I have really longhand probability math on it that I didn't post because no one cares for longhand math.


related to rdriv, but not the PV question, was him looking uncharacteristically angry in this post. I don't remember him using foul language, but i haven't played in a while. why is he angry?

##vote rdriveria

It's about time town did some bussing, scum normally have all the fun

Read the fucking setup.

Or we are both scum and you are really bussing me?

Okay thanks. I don't really agree with you, but I don't think this is as scummy as I thought...

We're not killing Rivera today. Are you going to move your vote?

[Hamilton Brian]

I do feel like either Jamie really is scum or one of the 1st three voters for them is. Chaqa, meh...indifferent. But ghug and Flum? There's been the whole back and forth with ghug (scum theatre?).

[Fluminator]

I'm actually a bit surprised this Jamiet wagon is working

You gonna jump off?

Not yet. Ghug and Chaqa are very meta driven players and that's the bulk of the Jamiet case to me. It checks out.

I don't know much about Hamilton. I haven't even noticed him until now.

[BunnyGo]

What about Rivera specifically being Vanilla makes you think he's scum? It seems to me like you would be pushing that slot no matter who it was, which is what I don't like.

I think scum would pick the PV as a way to hide a "likely to be fearkilled" candidate. rivera fits that description, he's even said as much:

%%vote Durga, let's kill her D1 so I can survive past N1.

Again, here he is thinking about what would happen if a mafia member is in the "likely NK" category:

I was giving a second thought and I would have considered the Public Vanilla instead of the Fruit Vendor if scum have someone that isn't a likely NK.

He seems to see the PV role differently than I do. I think the PV would be a great place for a person who us usually NK'd early to hide when they're scum. It explains why they're still alive ... what scumteam nk's the vanilla?

I have really longhand probability math on it that I didn't post because no one cares for longhand math.


related to rdriv, but not the PV question, was him looking uncharacteristically angry in this post. I don't remember him using foul language, but i haven't played in a while. why is he angry?

Read the fucking setup.

Or we are both scum and you are really bussing me?

Okay thanks. I don't really agree with you, but I don't think this is as scummy as I thought...

We're not killing Rivera today. Are you going to move your vote?

You understood that?! Give me the cliffnotes!

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm actually a bit surprised this Jamiet wagon is working

You gonna jump off?

Not yet. Ghug and Chaqa are very meta driven players and that's the bulk of the Jamiet case to me. It checks out.

I don't know much about Hamilton. I haven't even noticed him until now.

You have not actually made a case on me. You claimed you saw some bullshit "scumtell" or other and then didn't explain it properly.

Care to elaborate now, since we're both on the block?

[Jamiet99uk]

I am not scum and I will not be mis-wagonned by Ghug and Flum today. No sir.

[Fluminator]

I was getting to it, Bunny. Hold your cottontail.

@Jamie, anything more compelling than, "don't daykill me?"

Hi I'm back for EoD.

Yes, not only should you not daykill me because I am town, but also you should vote for Fluminator because he was legitimately trying to get a massclaim going which would have been highly beneficial to scum and not very beneficial at all to town.

This is a relatively convincing point.

Flum, why DID you try that?

reaction test :^)

[teacon7]

He seems to see the PV role differently than I do. I think the PV would be a great place for a person who us usually NK'd early to hide when they're scum. It explains why they're still alive ... what scumteam nk's the vanilla?

I have really longhand probability math on it that I didn't post because no one cares for longhand math.

You can always argue that they're hunting for something or someone in particular and it's not you. You don't have to take a powerless role in order to get suspicion off. Besides, rdrivera is not always a fearkill early. His N1 death last game was not a fearkill, if I remember correctly.

Well, I haven't read the last several games so idk what his frame of mind might be on dying early. I'll accept that people can hide in other, more powerful roles, but my scum game isn't good enough for that. I'd likely have tried to hide, and buff my teammates. Thus thinking other people would too.

[Jamiet99uk]

Where are Hellenic Riot and Seth? They haven't even voted at all and we're down to the last 15 or 16 minutes.

[kgray]

I think scum would pick the PV as a way to hide a "likely to be fearkilled" candidate. rivera fits that description, he's even said as much:



Again, here he is thinking about what would happen if a mafia member is in the "likely NK" category:

He seems to see the PV role differently than I do. I think the PV would be a great place for a person who us usually NK'd early to hide when they're scum. It explains why they're still alive ... what scumteam nk's the vanilla?

I have really longhand probability math on it that I didn't post because no one cares for longhand math.


related to rdriv, but not the PV question, was him looking uncharacteristically angry in this post. I don't remember him using foul language, but i haven't played in a while. why is he angry?

Okay thanks. I don't really agree with you, but I don't think this is as scummy as I thought...

We're not killing Rivera today. Are you going to move your vote?

You understood that?! Give me the cliffnotes!

I think he made an assumption and is fitting new facts to his theory, but it's not *necessarily* scum-motivated. Cliffnotes can come after EOD, I still need to figure out who to vote for....

[rdrivera2005]

@kgray - Did I miss a question you asked me? What else are you looking for?

What about Rivera specifically being Vanilla makes you think he's scum? It seems to me like you would be pushing that slot no matter who it was, which is what I don't like.

I think scum would pick the PV as a way to hide a "likely to be fearkilled" candidate. rivera fits that description, he's even said as much:

%%vote Durga, let's kill her D1 so I can survive past N1.

Again, here he is thinking about what would happen if a mafia member is in the "likely NK" category:

I was giving a second thought and I would have considered the Public Vanilla instead of the Fruit Vendor if scum have someone that isn't a likely NK.

He seems to see the PV role differently than I do. I think the PV would be a great place for a person who us usually NK'd early to hide when they're scum. It explains why they're still alive ... what scumteam nk's the vanilla?

I have really longhand probability math on it that I didn't post because no one cares for longhand math.


related to rdriv, but not the PV question, was him looking uncharacteristically angry in this post. I don't remember him using foul language, but i haven't played in a while. why is he angry?

##vote rdriveria

It's about time town did some bussing, scum normally have all the fun

Read the fucking setup.

Or we are both scum and you are really bussing me?

This big posts are hard to answer.

Want to point two things:
- the Durga vote was a joke because she pushed my NK on N1 the last two times she was scum.

- We agree on the PV role value (after I gave a second thought) to scum to hide usual fearkills.

- I was upset I roled Vanilla when I answered Maniac. Still am, as it's useless and will probably get me daykilled early. But I do use foul language, not so much in English, lol.

[teacon7]

We're not killing Rivera today. Are you going to move your vote?

Yes. Not sure where yet.

[BunnyGo]

Where are Hellenic Riot and Seth? They haven't even voted at all and we're down to the last 15 or 16 minutes.

Where is Vecna? A top 6 poster missing the last 12 hours of the day?

[ghug]

I'm actually a bit surprised this Jamiet wagon is working

You gonna jump off?

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