M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Jamiet99uk]

Can you explain why you're so keen on a Mass Claim? Because I think it's a bloody stupid idea.

Because then town knows everyones role and we could probably townclear a few roles.

Why does this justify letting the Mafia know what role everyone is?

How many townclears do you think this would generate, and how?

[Hamilton Brian]

Can you please tell me what choices you would have made if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?

If not, can you please tell me why you can't or don't want to answer the question?

Because I am absolutely unclear on much and I think a lot of the ideas are ludicrous (a la Fruit Vendor; how is that a helpful enterprise?). However, given the White Flag offers 20 additional credits, I'd choose that, recruit another. I'm not sure after that.

[Fluminator]

I hate to give up the tell on Jamiet because then he can rectify it in future games. But he's still scum.

You are incorrect. Will you buy me a pizza if I'm town?

I'll buy you a pizza if I'm town

[dargorygel]

Since scum already know each and ever role in play, all they lack is knowledge of who ended up with what. This makes any push to label people to role highly suspect, yes?

[BunnyGo]

I hate to give up the tell on Jamiet because then he can rectify it in future games. But he's still scum.

You are incorrect. Will you buy me a pizza if I'm town?

I'll buy you a pizza if I'm town

...

[bozotheclown]

OK, I would like to know what you think would have been optimal for the mafia.

90
Recruit (10)
Restless spirit (-25)
[those two are good, the rest I picked just to fill remaining space with minimal cost]
Fruit vendor (-24) [I thought I read somewhere that you could "sell fruit" or something; it was a source of income]
Neighborizer (-24) [cheap, and seems to do something]
Public Vanilla (-24) [also cheap, and it's not bad]
Voyeur (-26) [cheap]

A lot of this is just to get those first two, which, in my opinion, are the coolest.

5 roles lol. I really don’t know what to make of this at this point.

Do you think Macca could be pretending not to know things the mafia would certainly know by now?

Your own response also indicated not knowing things the scum would know:

Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:

What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?

Uh I’m just glad I didn’t have to choose. Looks like the extra recruit is an obvious choice and that takes most of the budget. Other than that it’s probably keep away from town more than anything. Does scum gain money as the game goes on? How do they get out of the negative if they were to go negative?

Do you now know how the mafia earn money?

[teacon7]

Good morning everyone. I will be catching up where I left off yesterday, replying to major themes and direct questions. lmk if there's something urgent that needs to be answered.

[bozotheclown]

Since scum already know each and ever role in play, all they lack is knowledge of who ended up with what. This makes any push to label people to role highly suspect, yes?

Is this a response to the idea of mass claiming?

[BunnyGo]

Since scum already know each and ever role in play, all they lack is knowledge of who ended up with what. This makes any push to label people to role highly suspect, yes?

that is my understanding of the situation.

Even more, scum know whether and whom they recruited. So even among the non-starting scum, finding out everyones' roles doesn't "clear" anyone...

[BunnyGo]

Since scum already know each and ever role in play, all they lack is knowledge of who ended up with what. This makes any push to label people to role highly suspect, yes?

that is my understanding of the situation.

Even more, scum know whether and whom they recruited. So even among the non-starting scum, finding out everyones' roles doesn't "clear" anyone...

Even among the scum, they just claim their roles...what's the problem? We don't know what they chose!!

[Hamilton Brian]

Since scum already know each and ever role in play, all they lack is knowledge of who ended up with what. This makes any push to label people to role highly suspect, yes?

Because the roles were handed out at random, right? Doesn't matter to scum though, they'll still target who they want to target. Might matter to us, but I don't think I've participated in a game with a mass claim so not sure how it proceeds. Mafia would just lie through their teeth in claiming and then we'd be no further ahead.

[Fluminator]

No one becomes straightup townclear but for example, the gladiator is almost definitely town because what scum team would want that or be afraid by town having that.

[BunnyGo]

Since scum already know each and ever role in play, all they lack is knowledge of who ended up with what. This makes any push to label people to role highly suspect, yes?

Because the roles were handed out at random, right? Doesn't matter to scum though, they'll still target who they want to target. Might matter to us, but I don't think I've participated in a game with a mass claim so not sure how it proceeds. Mafia would just lie through their teeth in claiming and then we'd be no further ahead.

Why would they lie?

[Jamiet99uk]

I hate to give up the tell on Jamiet because then he can rectify it in future games. But he's still scum.

You are incorrect. Will you buy me a pizza if I'm town?

I'll buy you a pizza if I'm town

That's not what I asked.

[Jamiet99uk]

Since scum already know each and ever role in play, all they lack is knowledge of who ended up with what. This makes any push to label people to role highly suspect, yes?

Yes, Fluminator is behaving in a highly suspect manner, you are right. I understand why you want to vote for him.

[Jamiet99uk]

Good morning everyone. I will be catching up where I left off yesterday, replying to major themes and direct questions. lmk if there's something urgent that needs to be answered.

There is an important question for you, yes. Look at the last few pages, or look for your name in an iso of Bozo, or me, or possibly Vecna, because we've all talked about the weirdness you need to explain.

[Jamiet99uk]

Since scum already know each and ever role in play, all they lack is knowledge of who ended up with what. This makes any push to label people to role highly suspect, yes?

Because the roles were handed out at random, right? Doesn't matter to scum though, they'll still target who they want to target. Might matter to us, but I don't think I've participated in a game with a mass claim so not sure how it proceeds. Mafia would just lie through their teeth in claiming and then we'd be no further ahead.

The roles that the Mafia did not allocate were handed out at random.

[Jamiet99uk]

No one becomes straightup townclear but for example, the gladiator is almost definitely town because what scum team would want that or be afraid by town having that.

Bozo and Dargorygel both said (in reference to Bozo's survey) that they would select Gladiator as one of the Mafia picks if they were on the Mafia team.

So, immediately it is clear that the basis for your massclaim idea is flawed.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hey Bozo, are you keeping track of the responses to your survey?

[bozotheclown]

No one becomes straightup townclear but for example, the gladiator is almost definitely town because what scum team would want that or be afraid by town having that.

Gladiator is a cheap role that the mafia could want to prevent a town from using it to challenge them. Also, they could use it to seem likely town, possibly even challenging a scum to pass off whoever survives as a town clear.