M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[BunnyGo]

Actually, quoting Andre the Giant...

I mentioned the role I did because it's the only one I could think of that related to Princess Bride. Gladiator makes more sense though: One uses different moves when fighting half a dozen men, than when you're fighting only one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZwQ4Rtt_Os @ 1:44


@GMs
Thanks for the VC.

iff the doublevote is only revealed at EoD, then I apologize for pestering you about it. I was trying to highlight differences in live vote counts between now and when roles were assigned.

GM Post, not PM, specifically a Post!
For the simple ones: rdrivera2005 IS THE PUBLIC VANILLA.

With respect and sympathy for rdrivera, I'm wondering whether the right move here is to ##vote rdrivera. We can't know whether he's a VT or goon, but I can see a probable train of thought where maf picks that role as a less appealing as a daykill target. It also doesn't cost points, which they'd need lots of if they recruited a 4th scumteam member.

"Curfew is now in place. Return to your homes. Any congregating of two or more people outside of your homes will result in you being arrested on sight. Anyone possessing a firearm or any item or instrument that can be used as a weapon will be deemed an enemy of the state and will be arrested on sight.

Aren't some places are like this already, as the result of more regionally elected politicians?

You have misunderstood this role too (and so did I, until I re-read Worcej's exact wording in the role PM text).

The Tree Stump is basically a VT who can still post in the thread after they have died.

Until they die, their vote counts. After they die, they remain able to post, just not do anything else.

Right Worcej?

oh god. does this mean jamie will be posting all game?

teacon is feeling very pedantic and weird so far

Agree. but I'm always pedantic and weird. What were you really expecting from me? Also up until now I've been posting stupid stuff so scum didn't pick me, and maaaaaybe I could contribute to misdirecting them. With only 3 to 18 players, it seemed probably to me that the talent pool in the game favored town for the first half of d1. Shade away, friend.

hey, if you can make the argument why scum would spent points to paint a giant bullseye on Rdrivera when he's not dead yet D3, be my guest.

VT might make scum!rdriv seem harmless. Also: doesn't choosing that role cost 0 points?

Someone is either going to miskill me because of my haikuing or miskill me because I stopped haikuing when they told me to stop haikuing and they're going to think that I caved to their amazing pressure so I'm just gonna do it myself and stop haikuing

But I will admit
It has been a ton of fun
To perform for you

I like how you did this now, right after roles (and maybe one more alignment pm) has been assigned. @bo_sox: Why now and not 4 hours ago?

theres a much easier way to do it though. if I havent actually replaced out and im not using some over the top stupid gimmick, im probably not scum

Were you scum when you only communicated by drawing pictures?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=list+of+burn+ ... near+vecna

I was unaware your brain behaved like this...can you focus on one issue and post in a way I can follow? I can't tell if you have many thoughts, or have many voices in your head.

[ghug]

teacon all but begged me to. And he suggested it was for a mechanics reason. I don't understand the mechanics reason he is alluding to.

Then why did you vote for him?

Voting for someone because they dared you to vote for them; in circumstances you don't understand, is the sort of think I might do when I'm drunk, but it's not good play.

I said something like: AAAAAAAHHHHHH WTF IS WITH THIS GAME?!?!? Somebody clue me in because all the rules be confusing for Dumb Bunny1!!!one!! I'll read more, back later!

And he said something like: Oh man, I'll clue you in but vote for anyone quick!

and I said: Hubba-wah?

and he said: YEAH! vote for me! you need to for reasons that are too hard for your puny brain to understand!

and I said: okey dokey mister. I'll check in later.

And now I am...nothing seems to have happened. I'm just as confused. And it seems all y'all are confused too based on all the reading I've done. Did you jacka##es just manage to sh*tpost for 24 hours and not even clarify all the rules/roles in that time?

I think he was looking for vote changes.

Whether this was a fake townslip or a real one is unclear, but it's definitely one of the two.

[teacon7]

I don't believe rd is clear, but we definitely shouldn't be policy voting him over it either.

Which is more likely:

• rdriv picks a 0 cost role bc he thinks he'll get fear-daykilled D3, and this lets his teammates do more things, or
• rdriv rands confirmed vanilla

?

[kgray]

When I tell people about my scum meta, I usually only include the parts I think I'm capable of improving.

Your buddying doesn't need improving, and you mentioned that a lot last game

You caught on, and I wasn't even buddying you!

More fake news. I did catch on but by the time my suspicions turned into a real scumread it was much too late.

[BunnyGo]

Yeah...I wouldn't mind seeing a kgray/bo competing wagon.

Why? What is scum indicative about what either bo or I said?

It feels forced. Maybe less so if I read the previous posts about you begging to be scum. Did bo beg too?

[ghug]

I don't believe rd is clear, but we definitely shouldn't be policy voting him over it either.

Which is more likely:

• rdriv picks a 0 cost role bc he thinks he'll get fear-daykilled D3, and this lets his teammates do more things, or
• rdriv rands confirmed vanilla

?

Ok I townread teacon.

With the prior that rd is the vanilla, I think option B is more likely, even when removing your faulty ascribed motivation. This might shift him slightly towards scum, but not enough to policy vote him.

[BunnyGo]

I think we were trying to not say that part out loud.

You think EVERYONE is as dumb as I am?

Yeah kind of

Wow...I'm honored you think so highly of me.

[kgray]

Teacon and Kgray are the people Im currently having bad bad feelings about. Bozo could also get in there.

Because we both asked to be recruited, or something else?

You and teacon asked to be recruited? Did bo ask also? I saw ghug rather violently asking not to be at the end of the 24 hours.

I said I wanted to be recruited, and teacon made a case for why he'd be a good choice, although he later said he didn't want to be picked. I don't think bo asked to be recruited.

[Hamilton Brian]

To be fair, I think it's quite possible the first day kill, if town, would be exhaling a sigh of relief.

Bunny, I like the cut of your jib so far in this game.

[BunnyGo]

Then why did you vote for him?

Voting for someone because they dared you to vote for them; in circumstances you don't understand, is the sort of think I might do when I'm drunk, but it's not good play.

I said something like: AAAAAAAHHHHHH WTF IS WITH THIS GAME?!?!? Somebody clue me in because all the rules be confusing for Dumb Bunny1!!!one!! I'll read more, back later!

And he said something like: Oh man, I'll clue you in but vote for anyone quick!

and I said: Hubba-wah?

and he said: YEAH! vote for me! you need to for reasons that are too hard for your puny brain to understand!

and I said: okey dokey mister. I'll check in later.

And now I am...nothing seems to have happened. I'm just as confused. And it seems all y'all are confused too based on all the reading I've done. Did you jacka##es just manage to sh*tpost for 24 hours and not even clarify all the rules/roles in that time?

I think he was looking for vote changes.

Whether this was a fake townslip or a real one is unclear, but it's definitely one of the two.

I'm not even sure how it's a townslip at all.

[ghug]

Your buddying doesn't need improving, and you mentioned that a lot last game

You caught on, and I wasn't even buddying you!

More fake news. I did catch on but by the time my suspicions turned into a real scumread it was much too late.

I mean really I'm just really nice when I'm not being really mean. It's not like I'm ever consciously setting out to buddy someone.

You kinda half caught on in time the day before the day before the end, but it helped that you knew HR was town.

[BunnyGo]

I don't believe rd is clear, but we definitely shouldn't be policy voting him over it either.

Which is more likely:

• rdriv picks a 0 cost role bc he thinks he'll get fear-daykilled D3, and this lets his teammates do more things, or
• rdriv rands confirmed vanilla

?

PLEASE PLEASE don't ask or damo will start computing useless odds for us.

[Hamilton Brian]

I said I wanted to be recruited, and teacon made a case for why he'd be a good choice, although he later said he didn't want to be picked. I don't think bo asked to be recruited.

How likely would it be for scum to ask to be recruited? Teacon makes a case, pulls it back. Scum lean or Not scum lean?

[ghug]

##CALLGM

Are the mafia roles assigned to them randomly from the group they bought (as per the link in the setup), or do they get to choose who gets what?

[BunnyGo]

I don't believe rd is clear, but we definitely shouldn't be policy voting him over it either.

Which is more likely:

• rdriv picks a 0 cost role bc he thinks he'll get fear-daykilled D3, and this lets his teammates do more things, or
• rdriv rands confirmed vanilla

?

Ok I townread teacon.

With the prior that rd is the vanilla, I think option B is more likely, even when removing your faulty ascribed motivation. This might shift him slightly towards scum, but not enough to policy vote him.

Having just posted that asking damo to compute odds is useless, I still take umbrage with the misuse of "prior".

Knowing rdr is vanilla shouldn't change your balance between those two options. The balance of the two shouldn't change when you find out he is vanilla. The point of teacon's question is to remove the knowledge of what happened from your analysis.

[teacon7]

Sorry for my confusing posts over the last couple hours. I was behind on reading the thread.

This is what I did to catch up:
I opened two tabs in firefox.
I responded "live" to the posts I saw in the "current" tab, and
I read up on the backlog in the other tab. Responses to the "backlog" of posts were gathered in a large notepad.txt doc, and posted all at once in the massive block that people keep quote-responding to.

The result was that my responses don't seem to be coherent, because my replies to people's posts didn't track through time. I'll work to fix that by catching up on a backlog of posts in a different way.

Even then I've largely been treating the first 24 hours of this game as an excuse to generate reactions and try to misdirect scum's choices.

[BunnyGo]

Sorry for my confusing posts over the last couple hours. I was behind on reading the thread.

This is what I did to catch up:
I opened two tabs in firefox.
I responded "live" to the posts I saw in the "current" tab, and
I read up on the backlog in the other tab. Responses to the "backlog" of posts were gathered in a large notepad.txt doc, and posted all at once in the massive block that people keep quote-responding to.

The result was that my responses don't seem to be coherent, because my replies to people's posts didn't track through time. I'll work to fix that by catching up on a backlog of posts in a different way.

Even then I've largely been treating the first 24 hours of this game as an excuse to generate reactions and try to misdirect scum's choices.

Do you not agree with the concept that Town's job is to obv!Town so that we can group up together and find each other?

[teacon7]

I said I wanted to be recruited, and teacon made a case for why he'd be a good choice, although he later said he didn't want to be picked. I don't think bo asked to be recruited.

How likely would it be for scum to ask to be recruited? Teacon makes a case, pulls it back. Scum lean or Not scum lean?

fwiw, @kgray and @HamiltonBrian, I was not seriously asking to be recruited.

[ghug]

Which is more likely:

• rdriv picks a 0 cost role bc he thinks he'll get fear-daykilled D3, and this lets his teammates do more things, or
• rdriv rands confirmed vanilla

?

Ok I townread teacon.

With the prior that rd is the vanilla, I think option B is more likely, even when removing your faulty ascribed motivation. This might shift him slightly towards scum, but not enough to policy vote him.

Having just posted that asking damo to compute odds is useless, I still take umbrage with the misuse of "prior".

Knowing rdr is vanilla shouldn't change your balance between those two options. The balance of the two shouldn't change when you find out he is vanilla. The point of teacon's question is to remove the knowledge of what happened from your analysis.

I'm rejecting teacon's framing because the scum option is framed to account for the reduced set of options given that we now know his role, whereas the town option is not.

I'm saying that we should be considering the state of the world now in examining both possibilities, making rd's now known role a component of the prior distribution and treating the unknown as his alignment, because that's where we are.

Don't try to math me. I used to be smart.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo: What do you think of the responses to your survey, so far?