M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[ghug]

If you actually read day one, summit was my preferred wagon for most of the day, and I moved back to him once a serious counterwagon formed. It's also consistent with my play in other days, which have mostly ended up town v town, and in other games, though you wouldn't know that.

Also this is not accurate. You never mentioned a serious scumread on summit or engaged with him in a substantial way until you voted for him with 5 hours left in the day, when you said you liked him vs damo. Then you left that wagon 5 minutes later to vote for Chaqa. Then you're "bored" and go back to damo, then vote Vecna, then join the Nanook wagon when it was summit's counterwagon and finally voted summit with 28 minutes to go - still without ever having said you preferred his wagon or agreed with people scumreading him.

I recall Prado having a temper tantrum because I was attacking summit too aggressively midway through the day.

[kgray]

HR, the problem I have with the idea that bozo was defending emc the way you were is that he was much less vocal about it. He just came in near EoD to drop votes on the counterwagons. The point that emc isn't the one that exploded is compelling, but I think there are plausible explanations (traitor, WIFOM for example) for them to send another widely scumread player in bozo. I also feel like I did in that game where you connected yourself to emc, in that I scumread him heavily and have a hard time imagining us winning this game if we're wrong about him, so we should really just flip him.

We did lose that game because emc was town, so maybe it's not the best approach, but I was also right that we would lose it if he were town

If emc is the traitor then either bozo wouldn't have known that and wouldn't have saved emc from the DK, or emc would have already been recruited and could still have done the NK.

[ghug]

HR, the problem I have with the idea that bozo was defending emc the way you were is that he was much less vocal about it. He just came in near EoD to drop votes on the counterwagons. The point that emc isn't the one that exploded is compelling, but I think there are plausible explanations (traitor, WIFOM for example) for them to send another widely scumread player in bozo. I also feel like I did in that game where you connected yourself to emc, in that I scumread him heavily and have a hard time imagining us winning this game if we're wrong about him, so we should really just flip him.

We did lose that game because emc was town, so maybe it's not the best approach, but I was also right that we would lose it if he were town

If emc is the traitor then either bozo wouldn't have known that and wouldn't have saved emc from the DK, or emc would have already been recruited and could still have done the NK.

I'm suggesting they wanted to keep day chat.

[Hellenic Riot]

HR, the problem I have with the idea that bozo was defending emc the way you were is that he was much less vocal about it. He just came in near EoD to drop votes on the counterwagons. The point that emc isn't the one that exploded is compelling, but I think there are plausible explanations (traitor, WIFOM for example) for them to send another widely scumread player in bozo. I also feel like I did in that game where you connected yourself to emc, in that I scumread him heavily and have a hard time imagining us winning this game if we're wrong about him, so we should really just flip him.

We did lose that game because emc was town, so maybe it's not the best approach, but I was also right that we would lose it if he were town

Did he need to be vocal, though? He quite openly made critical protection votes on emcfleet at an EoD two days in a row. If he then flips mafia, then vocalisation or not... Emc looks abysmal. Hell, you yourself immediately jumped to scumreading Bozo because of those protection votes. That looks like job done to me.

Of course it is plausible that emc was actually just being protected, and a scumteam of Durga/Nanook/EMC is still quite plausible (the fact that the one EoD Durga has managed to miss all game was the one where Flash was up against Moscow and half the Flash voters mysteriously never appeared to have to actually consider Moscow also bugs me a lot). But right now, I find the Durga/Bozo interactions a much more compelling case

[kgray]

I recall Prado having a temper tantrum because I was attacking summit too aggressively midway through the day.

This is what you're referring to?

Why aren't you?

Here he is 10 pages into the game taking the reason seriously and giving summit less jokey pressure over it

Any thoughts on the game other than you being scum?

Here he is treating the read as fact without evolving reads

Ok no.

I was uncompelled by Flum's argument. Joining him seemed like fun. I do dislike players not appearing online. It's fundamentally anti town and you should stop it too, but it's also something I don't really see being AI.

The recent comment was a witty and hilarious way to call him out on his hypocrisy, because not contributing and then calling out those who pressure you for it for not contributing themselves is scummy.

You weren't even scumreading summit at the start of the argument, Prado was objecting to your flippant response not questioning your scumread of summit.

[kgray]

HR, the problem I have with the idea that bozo was defending emc the way you were is that he was much less vocal about it. He just came in near EoD to drop votes on the counterwagons. The point that emc isn't the one that exploded is compelling, but I think there are plausible explanations (traitor, WIFOM for example) for them to send another widely scumread player in bozo. I also feel like I did in that game where you connected yourself to emc, in that I scumread him heavily and have a hard time imagining us winning this game if we're wrong about him, so we should really just flip him.

We did lose that game because emc was town, so maybe it's not the best approach, but I was also right that we would lose it if he were town

If emc is the traitor then either bozo wouldn't have known that and wouldn't have saved emc from the DK, or emc would have already been recruited and could still have done the NK.

I'm suggesting they wanted to keep day chat.

Oh, I forgot that goes away if traitor dies. Okay.

[ghug]

I recall Prado having a temper tantrum because I was attacking summit too aggressively midway through the day.

This is what you're referring to?

Here he is 10 pages into the game taking the reason seriously and giving summit less jokey pressure over it



Here he is treating the read as fact without evolving reads

Ok no.

I was uncompelled by Flum's argument. Joining him seemed like fun. I do dislike players not appearing online. It's fundamentally anti town and you should stop it too, but it's also something I don't really see being AI.

The recent comment was a witty and hilarious way to call him out on his hypocrisy, because not contributing and then calling out those who pressure you for it for not contributing themselves is scummy.

You weren't even scumreading summit at the start of the argument, Prado was objecting to your flippant response not questioning your scumread of summit.

"The recent comment was a witty and hilarious way to call him out on his hypocrisy, because not contributing and then calling out those who pressure you for it for not contributing themselves is scummy." is very clearly giving a reason for scumreading him.

[kgray]

##vote Durga

[Durga]

lmao okay I don't really have anything to defend myself tbh and I don't have time to even try. I definitely town read bozo. I wouldn't blatantly defend my scummate like that.

I think the point about sending bozo instead of emc makes a lot of sense. Unless they were using bozo's scum role

[kgray]

I recall Prado having a temper tantrum because I was attacking summit too aggressively midway through the day.

This is what you're referring to?

Ok no.

I was uncompelled by Flum's argument. Joining him seemed like fun. I do dislike players not appearing online. It's fundamentally anti town and you should stop it too, but it's also something I don't really see being AI.

The recent comment was a witty and hilarious way to call him out on his hypocrisy, because not contributing and then calling out those who pressure you for it for not contributing themselves is scummy.

You weren't even scumreading summit at the start of the argument, Prado was objecting to your flippant response not questioning your scumread of summit.

"The recent comment was a witty and hilarious way to call him out on his hypocrisy, because not contributing and then calling out those who pressure you for it for not contributing themselves is scummy." is very clearly giving a reason for scumreading him.

K well I'm just saying, it's not like you were vocal about summit being your preferred wagon in any way.

[ghug]

I'm swamped at work and my phone is broken for the second time in a week and my work computer won't let me load the bot because its cert is bad and I'm probably going to lose my shit at someone so I'm gonna go away for a bit and do what I'm supposed to be doing.

Meeting at 2 again but I should be back on before EoD in some capacity. I'm open to voting Durga if y'all can drum up some support.

[ghug]

I think the point about sending bozo instead of emc makes a lot of sense. Unless they were using bozo's scum role

What do you mean by this?

[kgray]

lmao okay I don't really have anything to defend myself tbh and I don't have time to even try. I definitely town read bozo. I wouldn't blatantly defend my scummate like that.

I think the point about sending bozo instead of emc makes a lot of sense. Unless they were using bozo's scum role

Does that mean you don't think emc makes sense as bozo's teammate?

Bozo was JOAT and didn't have a killing ability. He probably can't do the kill and also do his other actions in the same night, right?

[Fluminator]

I'm good with killing Nanook or Durga.
Prefer Nanook over Durga though.

[Fluminator]

##vote Nanook

[kgray]

I'm good with killing Nanook or Durga.
Prefer Nanook over Durga though.

You think they're more likely scum than emc?

[Fluminator]

I'm still good with competing wagons.

[Durga]

lmao okay I don't really have anything to defend myself tbh and I don't have time to even try. I definitely town read bozo. I wouldn't blatantly defend my scummate like that.

I think the point about sending bozo instead of emc makes a lot of sense. Unless they were using bozo's scum role

Does that mean you don't think emc makes sense as bozo's teammate?

Bozo was JOAT and didn't have a killing ability. He probably can't do the kill and also do his other actions in the same night, right?

No idea tbh.

[Durga]

##unend

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 7.5

e.m.c^42 (5) - ghug, Donny Dude, Nanook, Durga, seth24c
Durga (2) - Hellenic Riot, kgray
ghug (1) - e.m.c^42
Nanook (1) - Fluminator

Currently EMC is set to go for a little swing.

ONE HOUR remains.