M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[kgray]

Can you tell me what she's like as scum? I've asked a couple times and not gotten any answer.

I think that's a plausible reason/way to bus in a vacuum, but everything she says feels town motivated.

I'm sure you're not asking me but someone did call me "insidious" after M1015

I'm actually very interested to hear how you think your own play changes with alignment.

Well the goal is that it doesn't, but I'm sure I've got tells that I haven't noticed myself. I've only been scum twice and I played the two games very differently. The first time I buddied almost everyone, and the second time I was a lot more hesitant to defend townies who were being scumread because I didn't want to remove them from being miskill options. Basically, one game I had almost no "scumreads" and one game I had almost no "townreads" and since they were pretty different strategies it's hard to point to a distinct difference in my play depending on my alignment.

[Maniac]

So TL;DR
Flum is scum. After he flips we should look much closer at Nanook who I also think could be scum
##vote Flum

I actually don't hate this case...

You don’t hate it. It’s taken me all day to read through the notes. Before I started playing a took a degree in detective work at the University of Columbo and write up my notes so beautifully that they’re a work of frigging art. And you don’t hate it.

Yeah, that gladdens my heart. Mission Accomplished.

[Fluminator]

I really wish I was scum this game so I can look like a master manipualtor. But I've just been having an off game. This is like my 4th in a row.
I'm surprised I'm still counted as one of the good town players by some people lol.

[ghug]

I'm sure you're not asking me but someone did call me "insidious" after M1015

I'm actually very interested to hear how you think your own play changes with alignment.

Well the goal is that it doesn't, but I'm sure I've got tells that I haven't noticed myself. I've only been scum twice and I played the two games very differently. The first time I buddied almost everyone, and the second time I was a lot more hesitant to defend townies who were being scumread because I didn't want to remove them from being miskill options. Basically, one game I had almost no "scumreads" and one game I had almost no "townreads" and since they were pretty different strategies it's hard to point to a distinct difference in my play depending on my alignment.

Wait how did people not catch you then?

[ghug]

OK Maniac for real we've had like two weeks to analyze D1. Why only do it now?

[Fluminator]

FWIW Donny, I like you and you seem like a really cool dude.
If you are town, we've been on the same wavelength all game and think alike which makes me like you even more.

But I feel like I might be a prime mafia buddying target right now.

[ghug]

I really wish I was scum this game so I can look like a master manipualtor. But I've just been having an off game. This is like my 4th in a row.
I'm surprised I'm still counted as one of the good town players by some people lol.

Is your vote flipping purely a function of not being able to decide which of bozo and Donny you scumread more, or are you considering things like ability to get votes and reactions?

[Donny Dude]

FWIW Donny, I like you and you seem like a really cool dude.
If you are town, we've been on the same wavelength all game and think alike which makes me like you even more.

But I feel like I might be a prime mafia buddying target right now.

I understand.

[Fluminator]

I really wish I was scum this game so I can look like a master manipualtor. But I've just been having an off game. This is like my 4th in a row.
I'm surprised I'm still counted as one of the good town players by some people lol.

Is your vote flipping purely a function of not being able to decide which of bozo and Donny you scumread more, or are you considering things like ability to get votes and reactions?

Yes

[kgray]

I'd be more suspicious of Maniac voting flash, then almost instantly flipping his vote onto Vecna because he thought the flash voters were sketchy if it wasn't Town vs. Town

You went out of your way to point out that scum would rather have town!Vecna daykilled over town!flash, so this backtrack seems pretty disingenuous to me.

He still stated why he flipped. Your case somehow missed that?

Yeah so he said the reason was that Donny, Vecna and worcej were all sketchy, which is a decent enough explanation for a vote, but between Maniac's vote for flash and his switch onto Vecna the votes that changed were Nannok and bozo joining the Vecna wagon (both coming off of seth) and worcej switching to flash. It's possible worcej was a strong enough scumread that this switch is what caused his vote change, but I think it's more likely that he saw Vecna taking the lead and becoming a more viable miskill. Especially since Maniac didn't then pursue worcej any further but instead went right back to flash D5.

[Durga]

FWIW Donny, I like you and you seem like a really cool dude.
If you are town, we've been on the same wavelength all game and think alike which makes me like you even more.

But I feel like I might be a prime mafia buddying target right now.

I understand.

Lmao

[kgray]

So TL;DR
Flum is scum. After he flips we should look much closer at Nanook who I also think could be scum
##vote Flum

I actually don't hate this case...

You don’t hate it. It’s taken me all day to read through the notes. Before I started playing a took a degree in detective work at the University of Columbo and write up my notes so beautifully that they’re a work of frigging art. And you don’t hate it.

Yeah, that gladdens my heart. Mission Accomplished.

What did you think was Vecna's scumslip?

[kgray]

I'm actually very interested to hear how you think your own play changes with alignment.

Well the goal is that it doesn't, but I'm sure I've got tells that I haven't noticed myself. I've only been scum twice and I played the two games very differently. The first time I buddied almost everyone, and the second time I was a lot more hesitant to defend townies who were being scumread because I didn't want to remove them from being miskill options. Basically, one game I had almost no "scumreads" and one game I had almost no "townreads" and since they were pretty different strategies it's hard to point to a distinct difference in my play depending on my alignment.

Wait how did people not catch you then?

Well partly because I can be very convincing and partly because HR's tunneling of Hamilton was like 80% of the focus of the game

[kgray]

Well the goal is that it doesn't, but I'm sure I've got tells that I haven't noticed myself. I've only been scum twice and I played the two games very differently. The first time I buddied almost everyone, and the second time I was a lot more hesitant to defend townies who were being scumread because I didn't want to remove them from being miskill options. Basically, one game I had almost no "scumreads" and one game I had almost no "townreads" and since they were pretty different strategies it's hard to point to a distinct difference in my play depending on my alignment.

Wait how did people not catch you then?

Well partly because I can be very convincing and partly because HR's tunneling of Hamilton was like 80% of the focus of the game

Also, nobody was being very towny in that game so most townies didn't even have strong townreads.

[ghug]

Hmm, if Flum were town I think he would have asked Donny to sheep him on Donny instead of trying to buddy Donny while accusing Donny of buddying him.

[Hellenic Riot]

Flum what made you change from myself to Bozo?

I changed my mind again

##Vote Donny

k

So no minds were changed after all?

How does that make you feel?

Come, this is a friendly and open therapists office. Let us piece your feelings together.

[Donny Dude]

Hmm, if Flum were town I think he would have asked Donny to sheep him on Donny instead of trying to buddy Donny while accusing Donny of buddying him.

Why would town flum ask me to vote for myself?

[ghug]

Hmm, if Flum were town I think he would have asked Donny to sheep him on Donny instead of trying to buddy Donny while accusing Donny of buddying him.

Why would town flum ask me to vote for myself?

Seems like his style.

[Fluminator]

I feel like Bozo having spent almost every day on seth, throwing shade on other growing wagons to jump on them when they grow and get a miskill, and then going back to voting seth inconsequentially every round has been his contributions to the game.
Usually town Bozo is a bit more inspired then this.

Can any people who townread Bozo give me a reason?

[Fluminator]

Hmm, if Flum were town I think he would have asked Donny to sheep him on Donny instead of trying to buddy Donny while accusing Donny of buddying him.

Why would town flum ask me to vote for myself?

Seems like his style.

Lol, I'm too much of a softie to do that.