M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[ghug]

##VOTE emc

[ghug]

It's day now guys. OK to talk again.

[Hellenic Riot]

I'm waiting to here more from all these people who were somehow so convinced flash was scum

[ghug]

I'm waiting to here more from all these people who were somehow so convinced flash was scum

Which of those people do you find the most problematic?

[ghug]

Hi donny.

Do you think Maniac's sheeping is scummy?
Who do you scumread besides bozo?
Who do you townread?

[Donny Dude]

Hi donny.

Do you think Maniac's sheeping is scummy?
Who do you scumread besides bozo?
Who do you townread?

Possibly as it is now day 6.
Nanook then maniac.
For trs Ghug, Flum, seth. Kgray light tr.
Everyone else is neutral.

[ghug]

Hi donny.

Do you think Maniac's sheeping is scummy?
Who do you scumread besides bozo?
Who do you townread?

Possibly as it is now day 6.
Nanook then maniac.
For trs Ghug, Flum, seth. Kgray light tr.
Everyone else is neutral.

Can you explain your townreads?

[kgray]

I don't know about Moscow/emc. I reread Moscow and he did have a really towny D1, and the other phases where he contributed I also get towny vibes from. Especially his reaction to the claim/cc at EoD1, I just don't think that comes from scum... And since he subbed out his "disappearing" seems more like irl issues than him coasting on his D1 townreads. Also I don't find emc's entrance scummy at all, it seems very par for the course for him.

I'm much more interested in Donny or Maniac. I think we're ignoring Donny too much, and I really think Maniac is the traitor. I'd also not be opposed to Durga or bozo wagons, but I wouldn't vote for either without rereading them first.

##vote Maniac, and I'm probably not changing this until he finally explains wtf he thought Vecna's scumslip was.

[Donny Dude]

Hi donny.

Do you think Maniac's sheeping is scummy?
Who do you scumread besides bozo?
Who do you townread?

Possibly as it is now day 6.
Nanook then maniac.
For trs Ghug, Flum, seth. Kgray light tr.
Everyone else is neutral.

Can you explain your townreads?

For you ghug you seem to be trying to solve. It is a general gut feeling.
Seth to me was town with n3/d4 posts also liked his calling out on people d5 which seems towny.
Flum's is more recent but his discourse with worcej plus his reread on hr seem genuine.

[Hellenic Riot]

I'm waiting to here more from all these people who were somehow so convinced flash was scum

Which of those people do you find the most problematic?

Pretty much all of them, but specifically the ones who managed to spend the entire EoD on them and didn't even care to show up to reconsider or look at the other wagon despite normally being present. I actually find Bozo/Maniac to be somewhat *less* suspicious than the rest of those votes.

[ghug]

I'm waiting to here more from all these people who were somehow so convinced flash was scum

Which of those people do you find the most problematic?

Pretty much all of them, but specifically the ones who managed to spend the entire EoD on them and didn't even care to show up to reconsider or look at the other wagon despite normally being present. I actually find Bozo/Maniac to be somewhat *less* suspicious than the rest of those votes.

What about someone like me who was perfectly content with a flash kill but ended up on the other wagon?

[kgray]

I feel like Donny and Durga have been lowkey sheeping my thoughts. A little sus of them, but I'm not interested in daykilling Durga lol. Them and Bozo were all part of the flash wagon that day.

Moscow/EMC is a good contendor as the counterwagon and sketchy behavior before then. And EMC's opening is not giving me much faith.

You/Kgray/HR might have a deep scum, but I don't think any of you are top on my list right now.

What was sketchy about Moscow?

[kgray]

I never have completely lost my bozo suspicion.

I still think Nanook and Seth are likely town. Kudos to Seth if he isn't, he has me fooled.
I kind of agree with worcej that if Nanook is scum his method of shading the site is kind of a lame strat to get out of effort but I townread him based on the few times he does post game content, even though it's very possible he's faking it.

I think Maniac is a good contendor for traitor but I don't think he's the best daykill here.

I agree with all of this except that my bozo suspicion is higher than it was a day ago.

I really want to keep scumreading you but I don't have a good reason for it anymore, so I guess you're null again. HR too.

I'm pretty sketched on Moscow/emc at this point, and the way the day ended really implicates bozo and Maniac, though my gut says not both of them. I'm kinda inclined in that direction for the daykill.

I still townread donny, and kgray, though I should probably be doing my homework on the latter at this point. Someone tell me what her scumgame is like.

Leaning town on Durga because of the way she got pissed off at me yesterday and the fact that she posts at night, but her D4 voting+a presumption of flash's guilt was a part of that read, and the lower activity than normal is justified but makes it harder to read her strongly.

We're potentially a daykill from KILO, I'm kinda lost, and there's some sort of 3P out there, so I don't feel great right now.

Why do you still townread Donny? Why wouldn't scum!Durga get pissed off at you?

[kgray]

I still prefer bozo then nanook.
Why ghug and myself?

Why those two? You've been piggybacking off a lot of people's reads this game. Why do you specifically want those two?

I don't see you as scum. nanook could be and quite frankly the whole I am town thing annoys me.
Bozo I feel like is repeating the same sr and expecting a different result.
I feel like maniac is just sheeping people instead of actual reads.

What specifically is it about Nanook that makes you think he could be scum?

[Donny Dude]

Why those two? You've been piggybacking off a lot of people's reads this game. Why do you specifically want those two?

I don't see you as scum. nanook could be and quite frankly the whole I am town thing annoys me.
Bozo I feel like is repeating the same sr and expecting a different result.
I feel like maniac is just sheeping people instead of actual reads.

What specifically is it about Nanook that makes you think he could be scum?

I feel like nanook says he is solving and then keeps on the same ideas for a long time.

d2 he reads seth as scum and has done so continuously since then, but then d5 says he is voting seth for lols.

Also of note from d2, "Still think Durga/ghug are town. Damo could probably be mafia. Still think maniac is a decent chance to be lost wolf tbh. If damo is mafia flum probably isn’t based on voting I think. Moscow probably town if maniac is [town/lost wolf]."
"Then d4, I think damo is >rand town, he looks a lot like I remember him from the ship."

So, Nanook what is your read on seth?

[Donny Dude]

I don't see you as scum. nanook could be and quite frankly the whole I am town thing annoys me.
Bozo I feel like is repeating the same sr and expecting a different result.
I feel like maniac is just sheeping people instead of actual reads.

What specifically is it about Nanook that makes you think he could be scum?

I feel like nanook says he is solving and then keeps on the same ideas for a long time.

d2 he reads seth as scum and has done so continuously since then, but then d5 says he is voting seth for lols.

Also of note from d2, "Still think Durga/ghug are town. Damo could probably be mafia. Still think maniac is a decent chance to be lost wolf tbh. If damo is mafia flum probably isn’t based on voting I think. Moscow probably town if maniac is [town/lost wolf]."
"Then d4, I think damo is >rand town, he looks a lot like I remember him from the ship."

So, Nanook what is your read on seth?

How do you read flum now?

[ghug]

I never have completely lost my bozo suspicion.

I still think Nanook and Seth are likely town. Kudos to Seth if he isn't, he has me fooled.
I kind of agree with worcej that if Nanook is scum his method of shading the site is kind of a lame strat to get out of effort but I townread him based on the few times he does post game content, even though it's very possible he's faking it.

I think Maniac is a good contendor for traitor but I don't think he's the best daykill here.

I agree with all of this except that my bozo suspicion is higher than it was a day ago.

I really want to keep scumreading you but I don't have a good reason for it anymore, so I guess you're null again. HR too.

I'm pretty sketched on Moscow/emc at this point, and the way the day ended really implicates bozo and Maniac, though my gut says not both of them. I'm kinda inclined in that direction for the daykill.

I still townread donny, and kgray, though I should probably be doing my homework on the latter at this point. Someone tell me what her scumgame is like.

Leaning town on Durga because of the way she got pissed off at me yesterday and the fact that she posts at night, but her D4 voting+a presumption of flash's guilt was a part of that read, and the lower activity than normal is justified but makes it harder to read her strongly.

We're potentially a daykill from KILO, I'm kinda lost, and there's some sort of 3P out there, so I don't feel great right now.

Why do you still townread Donny? Why wouldn't scum!Durga get pissed off at you?

His play is such that I'd expect him to be playing scared and quiet as scum. Instead, he's very snarky and is usually actually expressing a thought or asking a genuine question.

Durga's terrified of me, which means she attacks me ruthlessly when she's town and I could be scum, and she avoids me when she's scum.

[Hellenic Riot]

Which of those people do you find the most problematic?

Pretty much all of them, but specifically the ones who managed to spend the entire EoD on them and didn't even care to show up to reconsider or look at the other wagon despite normally being present. I actually find Bozo/Maniac to be somewhat *less* suspicious than the rest of those votes.

What about someone like me who was perfectly content with a flash kill but ended up on the other wagon?

Well given I think emcfleet is scum, I'm not hugely suspicious of that.

##vote EMC

[bozotheclown]

Flum did you kill him to protect yourself?

He said he was going after bozo first

At one point worcej said you had his vote D6, but one of the reasons he gave for suspecting you was that he thought you were signaling me as the traitor.

[bozotheclown]

One thing that I wanted to ask worcej about is this statement: "A striking issue I have with bozo: He spent a lot of D4 pushing a narrative of flash being scum, yet when his vote mattered (Flash and Venca were tied), he voted for Vecna without ever having a case made for him." This was odd considering worcej cited my case on Vecna as the reason he voted for Vecna D4.