M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[ghug]

I hard agree with Tom on this one

That giant, poorly reasoned post with all the possible teams seems like town damo. The D1 vote for the counterwagon with zero explanation also seems like town damo.

He decided basically all the people voting summit were town. That's super easy to fake and conclude.

He also eliminated a bunch of specific team options.

[Hellenic Riot]

Its not like im completely certain of my scumread of the two of you, individually. But if you really wanna argue that im not being very capable of making arguments why Durga is exactly just as scummy as you or Damo......fine. Its arbitrary grouping, and not exact science. Who wouldve thought that such a thing is possible. I still felt the 4 of you were scummier than the people in the lower tiers though.

Now if thats really the type of points youre trying to score, youre not realy trying to sort shit, and Durga is actually right that its a waste of space argument.

No - I'm asking you a very straightforward question. You've explained why you think Damo is scum. You've explained why you think I'm scum. You have not explained why you think Durga is scum. And the more you try and muddy the waters around this, the longer you go without answering the question.

Hey, I at least like your persistence on the topic. I dont know why you think I couldnt bullshit some weaksauce reasoning together now, even if I had no proper reasoning, but youre really out to get it out of me.

The reasoning is simple; Durga is normally an easy easy read when she's town. She interacts a lot with people, either to further reads together, or to see how they respond (the usual durga-ghug shit for example). Here she somehow managed to get to 180 posts without giving me any of those signals. It feels like she's just talking at the game so far. What sorting has she actually done? Who has she bounced ideas off? Who has she attacked or fought over silly stuff to get a read off them? It was the same last game, where she also didnt seem to try to further us in finding scum very well, and I was also suspicious. At least there she was understanding of my sentiment and gave me signals.

Anyways, all the same, im willing to give her time. Maybe itll come back if she has more time.

I'm sure you could 'bs some weaksauce argument', but if it were that weaksauce, it'd hardly get the pressure off you, would it? This isn't exactly the best case anyone has ever come up with, and seems a lot more like a Null read than a Scum read, and you're not usually someone I associate so strongly with basing reads entirely on how people stack up vs meta, but at least you finally answered.

[ghug]

Reads change but I really want to know damo how your read on summit and maniac evolved so that you switched off summit onto maniac.

You said you started doubting summit was scum before the end, but I want to know why. Especially when he wasn't posting.

Hmm, this is a good point.

How do you think that's a good point given that you literally just said damo not explaining things is town!damo?

The thing that's town damo is a demonstration of some sort of internal logic that he's just not sharing with us. This suggests a lack of consistency in the internal logic.

[Vecna]

If maniac is scum, then a lot of these thoughts are moot

Do you think he is scum?

Sorta?

I think were quite in tune so far Tom.

We should probably bounce more shit off one another

[Fluminator]

Am I the only one skipping all HR vs. Vecna posts right now.

[Vecna]

I forced myself to make a towniest to scummiest list. To be taken with a large dose of Sodium Chloiride.

TOWN

Flash
Tom
HR
Bozo
KGray
Maniac
Ghug
Nanook
Chaqa
TrPrado
Bunny
Worcej
Seth
Moscow
Vecna
Flum
Donny
Summit
Durga

SCUM

Reads change but I really want to know damo how your read on summit and maniac evolved so that you switched off summit onto maniac.

You said you started doubting summit was scum before the end, but I want to know why. Especially when he wasn't posting.

Hmm, this is a good point.

Think I have some pretty good answers to these points, but why make shit easier for DAmo.

[Durga]

Am I the only one skipping all HR vs. Vecna posts right now.

Why do I get shit for this and you don't

[Fluminator]

Hmm, this is a good point.

How do you think that's a good point given that you literally just said damo not explaining things is town!damo?

The thing that's town damo is a demonstration of some sort of internal logic that he's just not sharing with us. This suggests a lack of consistency in the internal logic.

I correctly hard-townread damo a previous game where others scumread damo because I was able to follow his internal logical. I don't follow it this game yet.

[Hellenic Riot]

Am I the only one skipping all HR vs. Vecna posts right now.

Why do I get shit for this and you don't

Well the difference is that you're literally calling Vecna out for the same thing I did, and yet ignoring the fact that I'm pushing him for it.

[Durga]

Am I the only one skipping all HR vs. Vecna posts right now.

Why do I get shit for this and you don't

Well the difference is that you're literally calling Vecna out for the same thing I did, and yet ignoring the fact that I'm pushing him for it.

Yeah but I'm not sure if it means Vecna is scummy or just wrong

[Hellenic Riot]

Why do I get shit for this and you don't

Well the difference is that you're literally calling Vecna out for the same thing I did, and yet ignoring the fact that I'm pushing him for it.

Yeah but I'm not sure if it means Vecna is scummy or just wrong

One would expect that you'd be interested in working that out, rather than ignore an entire debate focusing on whether or not he's scummy for it.

[ghug]

Am I the only one skipping all HR vs. Vecna posts right now.

No

[ghug]

Reads change but I really want to know damo how your read on summit and maniac evolved so that you switched off summit onto maniac.

You said you started doubting summit was scum before the end, but I want to know why. Especially when he wasn't posting.

Hmm, this is a good point.

Think I have some pretty good answers to these points, but why make shit easier for DAmo.

How is agreeing with Flum making shit easier for damo?

[Vecna]

No - I'm asking you a very straightforward question. You've explained why you think Damo is scum. You've explained why you think I'm scum. You have not explained why you think Durga is scum. And the more you try and muddy the waters around this, the longer you go without answering the question.

Hey, I at least like your persistence on the topic. I dont know why you think I couldnt bullshit some weaksauce reasoning together now, even if I had no proper reasoning, but youre really out to get it out of me.

The reasoning is simple; Durga is normally an easy easy read when she's town. She interacts a lot with people, either to further reads together, or to see how they respond (the usual durga-ghug shit for example). Here she somehow managed to get to 180 posts without giving me any of those signals. It feels like she's just talking at the game so far. What sorting has she actually done? Who has she bounced ideas off? Who has she attacked or fought over silly stuff to get a read off them? It was the same last game, where she also didnt seem to try to further us in finding scum very well, and I was also suspicious. At least there she was understanding of my sentiment and gave me signals.

Anyways, all the same, im willing to give her time. Maybe itll come back if she has more time.

I'm sure you could 'bs some weaksauce argument', but if it were that weaksauce, it'd hardly get the pressure off you, would it? This isn't exactly the best case anyone has ever come up with, and seems a lot more like a Null read than a Scum read, and you're not usually someone I associate so strongly with basing reads entirely on how people stack up vs meta, but at least you finally answered.

You probably missed that I feel I have pretty good reasons to townread everyone not on those 7-8 people that I listed in the initial post. Heck, I even listed a townread in there (seth).

Saying that I do not have solid scumreads and more people that just arent part of people ive found decent reasons to townread is entirely accurate. Whether that makes them nulls or scumreads.....it makes them people im suspicious of to various degrees.

And I use a lot of meta to read people. Not sure how that escaped you, but its the reason why I started reading you the way I did. Its the reason why I had an instant townread on MF and Ghug, and why I called out Tom B on his initial read of Kgray. Its not the only stuff I use (I also really look for people trying to come up with sound-good phrases etc, and people giving reasoning that only town couldve come up with) - but its a strong proponent.

[Vecna]

Am I the only one skipping all HR vs. Vecna posts right now.

As someone that got caught/called out constantly by me last game while noone else was scumreading you - you might wanna pay a bit more attention to it?

[Durga]

Well the difference is that you're literally calling Vecna out for the same thing I did, and yet ignoring the fact that I'm pushing him for it.

Yeah but I'm not sure if it means Vecna is scummy or just wrong

One would expect that you'd be interested in working that out, rather than ignore an entire debate focusing on whether or not he's scummy for it.

I honestly thought his d1 defensiveness was weird but he's looking like normal town Vecna to me now just slightly more sensitive. I'm not sure how you two going back and forth on everything is a good way for me to figure it out.

[Durga]

Am I the only one skipping all HR vs. Vecna posts right now.

As someone that got caught/called out constantly by me last game while noone else was scumreading you - you might wanna pay a bit more attention to it?

What does this mean?

[Vecna]

Well the difference is that you're literally calling Vecna out for the same thing I did, and yet ignoring the fact that I'm pushing him for it.

Yeah but I'm not sure if it means Vecna is scummy or just wrong

One would expect that you'd be interested in working that out, rather than ignore an entire debate focusing on whether or not he's scummy for it.

Nice

[Vecna]

Hmm, this is a good point.

Think I have some pretty good answers to these points, but why make shit easier for DAmo.

How is agreeing with Flum making shit easier for damo?

I mean answers from Damo's pov. But he can answer for himself

[Durga]

Hmm, this is a good point.

Think I have some pretty good answers to these points, but why make shit easier for DAmo.

How is agreeing with Flum making shit easier for damo?

... He's obviously saying that he can answer it for damo but he won't