M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[worcej]

Lol. Worcej suddenly has the whole game scumreading him.

When do I not? My style is inherently scummy and I know this.

[Vecna]

hmm, bozo is 3p again

[worcej]

Every one of my town games has had me being scumread for a decent junk of it - this isn't new.

If I am incredibly towny, that's when you should be worried.

[Vecna]

like, hes scummy as a motherfucker, but he did genuinely believe bunny was gonna flip scum

[worcej]

like, hes scummy as a motherfucker, but he did genuinely believe bunny was gonna flip scum

I assume this is a continuation of bozo?

I also thought the same - I did not expect Bunny to claim a PR and force someone else to die when he was the PR that was immune to the daykill. It was a pretty bad play and not one I'd expect from him.

Also: Sorry Bunny - just being honest.

[ghug]

like, hes scummy as a motherfucker, but he did genuinely believe bunny was gonna flip scum

Did anybody not?

[Fluminator]

Can you give me examples?

I would have predicted town bozo check for our past games to see if I'm lying and be suspicious of that.

I did not have to check out pasts games to know there are no games that would lead you to the conclusion that I often bus. I asked you for examples to find out if you are just fabricating that or if you are mistaken.

You did bus BobMcBob and BunnyGo in M54. Even when no one else was scumreading BunnyGo

[Fluminator]

like, hes scummy as a motherfucker, but he did genuinely believe bunny was gonna flip scum

Or third party

[bozotheclown]

I would favour voting for a Maniac voter so Seth or Nanook. Don't particularly mind which. I will vote for either that looks like getting DK'd.

I believe seth keeping his vote on Maniac but congratulating Chaqa for counterclaiming puts him in the same group as those who were voting for Maniac but switched to summit after Chaqa's counterclaim, which is you, TrPrado, BunnyGo, and Donny. I think this group is a good place to look for scum.

Bozo is another top suspect in my eyes. He pushed almost the exact same group as damo did but in his cases and posts seemed to leave damo alone out of the group he mainly pushed donny and myself with some cases that didn't seem to have much conviction behind them.

I gave detailed reasons why I thought Donny and you were the best scum candidates among those who did not vote for summit before Chaqa's claim. I will include them here because they still apply:

I think Donny's D1 voting looks the most suspicious.

There was a significant amount of time where Donny was a top wagon along with summit. During this time, he tried to help build wagons on Tom and Nanook but never voted for summit. Donny later voted for damo when damo was leading summit 4-3, then when summit had retaken the lead from damo, Donny switched to Maniac. Despite choosing all of these votes over summit, Donny never mentioned summit until EOD, and the reasons he gave for these votes were not particularly strong:

##vote Donny Dude

I hate his post parroting kgray

##vote Tom
gah

I like a ##Vote Nanook. He seems very over-the-top and exaggerated, and I don't see any real attempts from him to pressure other players.

I will join.
##vote Nanook
I don't really buy the whole flash is ran town joke also.

The errors indicate a rushed guilty response.

That seems weak to me Damo, spelling errors.
##vote damo.

##unvote Damo

I don’t have any solid scum reads, but will have time to have a good look at some people before EOD

Maniac, you previously stated in post 806 that you thought Damo was making this too easy and that you wanted a list from him.
You then said if Damo did then your vote would shift onto Moscow.
Yet, here I see you have unvoted, do you read moscow differently from then?
##vote Maniac

##VOTE Donny

seth's D1 looks almost as suspicious as Donny's D1. seth never gave a reason why he did not want to vote for summit, but actively pushed damo and Maniac.

Yeah I feel like he really didn't care in the mini game as scum, and I'm not seeing any caring here.

Lots of people talking but nobody voting. ##vote damo

seth was the first vote for damo but he knew there was interest in damo, and damo became the lead wagon 30 minutes after seth's vote.

I didn't like the way he defended Chaqa, it looks like buddying and I didn't like him joke claiming scum.

He also did some pretty heavy hi’ing in the beginning of the game. I forgot how much until reading him again. Feeling a little better about damo so making maniac a bigger wagon works for me. ##vote maniac

damo was well behind by the time seth changed his vote, so commenting the he was "feeling a little better about damo" was not really necessary. Also, his reasoning for voting for Maniac was questionable, since Maniac only said "hi" twice, and that was in response to ghug and TrPrado, yet seth indicated he had just reread Maniac's posts.

Finally, when it was looking likely summit would be the kill, seth seemed to hedge on his lack of a summit read:

I really don't like these wagons, though, and I think Nanook, seth, Prado, and others are getting off too easy.

Lol after maniac claimed scum and possibly signaled traitor? If summit isn’t scum on the flip I will be convinced that maniac is.

Perfectly happy to see summit flip because he has seemed scummy to me as well. But if he isn’t scum maniac is public enemy number 1 imo.

Can you explain to me more specifically why you think these cases "didn't seem to have much conviction behind them"?

[worcej]

like, hes scummy as a motherfucker, but he did genuinely believe bunny was gonna flip scum

Did anybody not?

If you find anyone that was skeptical, I would say they are incredibly sus.

(You're welcome Chaqa, I'll continue it for you buddy)

[Fluminator]

And unfound traitor is another option.

I agree bozo definitely genuinely thought Bunny was not town though.

[worcej]

@bozo - do you think Donny could be lazy town instead of scum?

[Vecna]

like, hes scummy as a motherfucker, but he did genuinely believe bunny was gonna flip scum

Did anybody not?

scum?

Im really quite sure that when he questioned kgray, me and a third about our reasons for not hammering bunny d2 there was no doubt in his mind he was preemptively making those slots look bad for the impending bunny scumflip.

With bunny flipping town, I believe those posts were not made by a scum bozo. And hes entirely too scummy otherwise to be town, so 3p is the only rational conclusion for me so far. It also fits, because 3p-bozo recently at least had a little bit compared to his usual muzzled scum weaksauce.

[Vecna]

bit=bite

[bozotheclown]

I would have predicted town bozo check for our past games to see if I'm lying and be suspicious of that.

I did not have to check out pasts games to know there are no games that would lead you to the conclusion that I often bus. I asked you for examples to find out if you are just fabricating that or if you are mistaken.

You did bus BobMcBob and BunnyGo in M54. Even when no one else was scumreading BunnyGo

I was traitor in that game and did not know BunnyGo was scum. I knew it was possible, but no one else was interested in my case on BunnyGo so pushing him was safe. I had scanned Bob and knew he was scum, but I did not vote for him until EOD when it was fairly certain he would be the kill. That may be the only time I ever knowingly voted for a scum teammate who was not mechanically confirmed.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo - do you think Donny could be lazy town instead of scum?

It is possible he is town and was just unlucky D1, but I would not call his play lazy. However, I think it is suspicious how he voted for multiple counter wagons while barely mentioning summit.

[Fluminator]

You were actually one of the first people to vote for BobMcBob that day. I like hard towncleared you for it. oops

[Vecna]

im kind of annoyed that durga vanished yet again without doing anything of note

[bozotheclown]

like, hes scummy as a motherfucker, but he did genuinely believe bunny was gonna flip scum

It this because I pointed out that your late vote on summit D1 looks suspicious and that your lengthy explanation for it is something that you could easily come up with as scum?

[Vecna]

like, hes scummy as a motherfucker, but he did genuinely believe bunny was gonna flip scum

It this because I pointed out that your late vote on summit D1 looks suspicious and that your lengthy explanation for it is something that you could easily come up with as scum?

Hey, just be happy, if we randomly flip the 3p at some point ill probably think ur town