M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[kgray]

Does Bunny always do this ostensibly open-ended but actually very suggestion questioning to push his scum reads?

I'm not sure.... But I don't like his wishy-washy statement about if anyone on the scumteam knew Chaqa was in jail. There's no way they didn't realize that.

A lot of us claimed to have overlooked it. Are we lying or town slipping then?

It's different for you to assume that town could miss that Chaqa was jailed than for you to assume that scum could miss it. Scum have an outed PR that obviously they want to kill, so if they see that he's the only person not posting at night they obviously know not to waste the kill on him. Town aren't necessarily thinking about NKs like that so it makes more sense for town to miss it than for scum.

[BunnyGo]

I'm not sure.... But I don't like his wishy-washy statement about if anyone on the scumteam knew Chaqa was in jail. There's no way they didn't realize that.

A lot of us claimed to have overlooked it. Are we lying or town slipping then?

It seems weirder to overlook it if you were in the first attempt at the game. It's also a very easily fakeable townslip, to the point that I probably would have claimed ignorance as either alignment if I had known.

As has been pointed out: it’s a near absurd claim for me (specifically) to make. Yet I’m making it. I’ve been harried and not really paying attention or thinking. I’m moderately disappointed I spoke at all last night.

[BunnyGo]

I'm not sure.... But I don't like his wishy-washy statement about if anyone on the scumteam knew Chaqa was in jail. There's no way they didn't realize that.

A lot of us claimed to have overlooked it. Are we lying or town slipping then?

It's different for you to assume that town could miss that Chaqa was jailed than for you to assume that scum could miss it. Scum have an outed PR that obviously they want to kill, so if they see that he's the only person not posting at night they obviously know not to waste the kill on him. Town aren't necessarily thinking about NKs like that so it makes more sense for town to miss it than for scum.

This is true.

[BunnyGo]

No it isn’t. If jailer does NOT protect from the riddler there is zero reason for Chaqa to be alive. If that’s the case then either the riddler is unable to achieve win condition OR if we have the freelancer then it is bad for town to look for 3P. Freelancer is effectively a miskill since their win condition doesn’t contradict ours.

Fact 1: Riddler can hit multiple targets a night.
Fact 2: Riddler need only know all targets exact role.
Fact 3: if riddler exists, anyone who drops their role with 100% certainty will die by Riddlers hand eventually.

Fact 4: If the riddler guesses wrong on anybody at any point they lose their killing powers for the rest of the game

So why bother guessing at all early? Riddler needs to survive and learn people’s roles. Having more people around helps them survive and narrow roles. They just need one big bloody night at the end. No need to kill Chaq now. Keeping him around helps riddler avoid being the NK.

[kgray]

I think he’s being ironic. You agree with each other.

Then how do you explain this:

Tom would have a point if your crumbs were obscure, but them being the way they are theyre far too deep into Nai territory for my liking.

By reading the whole conversation it comes from and not snipping it out of context.

wtf Bunny. You said Vecna was being ironic and in reality agrees with me about your crumbs being obscure. Now he's saying your crumbs are not obscure. How can you explain that just by adding the "context" (pasted below for clarity) which has nothing to do with his conclusion in the last sentence that your claims are not obscure? Is he being ironic again??

As a devil's advocate type of counter-point, bunny has also reached the point where scum are not going to randomly NK him regardless for thinking he might be some -other- PR.

Trying to deduce bunnies alignment through this line of thought is something I wouldnt advice.

Another person sees me! Man, maybe I *do* have a community here.

Im not saying im townreading you whatsoever. You'd do this type of stuff as both alignments. Its an ok play as town (even though at times I doubt you really have the personality to be playing the sacrificial lamb), but it works just as fine as scum to later get that credibility of "look me trying to draw the NK like a good boy".

Tom would have a point if your crumbs were obscure, but them being the way they are theyre far too deep into Nai territory for my liking.

[ghug]

No it isn’t. If jailer does NOT protect from the riddler there is zero reason for Chaqa to be alive. If that’s the case then either the riddler is unable to achieve win condition OR if we have the freelancer then it is bad for town to look for 3P. Freelancer is effectively a miskill since their win condition doesn’t contradict ours.

Fact 1: Riddler can hit multiple targets a night.
Fact 2: Riddler need only know all targets exact role.
Fact 3: if riddler exists, anyone who drops their role with 100% certainty will die by Riddlers hand eventually.

Fact 4: If the riddler guesses wrong on anybody at any point they lose their killing powers for the rest of the game

Fact 5: The toddler doesn't have to kill every night.
Fact 6: We don't know Chaqa's exact role.

[TrPrado]

This is an excellent point. I am very disappointed in myself here.

You realise I meant unobservant right? You didn't point it out so maybe you are. Lol

Damo you had a typo? You're rattled! It's a case of rapid deterioration!

He NEVER has typos as town, hmmmmm

[kgray]

##vote Bunny

[BunnyGo]

Then how do you explain this:

By reading the whole conversation it comes from and not snipping it out of context.

wtf Bunny. You said Vecna was being ironic and in reality agrees with me about your crumbs being obscure. Now he's saying your crumbs are not obscure. How can you explain that just by adding the "context" (pasted below for clarity) which has nothing to do with his conclusion in the last sentence that your claims are not obscure? Is he being ironic again??

Another person sees me! Man, maybe I *do* have a community here.

Im not saying im townreading you whatsoever. You'd do this type of stuff as both alignments. Its an ok play as town (even though at times I doubt you really have the personality to be playing the sacrificial lamb), but it works just as fine as scum to later get that credibility of "look me trying to draw the NK like a good boy".

Tom would have a point if your crumbs were obscure, but them being the way they are theyre far too deep into Nai territory for my liking.

I dunno. I read the first as being ironic. I may be wrong and should be taking him literally. But I don’t.

As for explaining the second if I’m correct about sarcasm, then he’s disagreeing with Tom about me trying to draw the NK. I’m not feeling like guessing as to Vecnas tone anymore.

[BunnyGo]

##vote Bunny

For emphasis? Cool. Glad my disagreement about vecna’s tone convinced you to overlook everything else.

[BunnyGo]

In the meantime, can someone summarize the point of the prado wagon? What’s up there?

[TrPrado]

Fact 1: Riddler can hit multiple targets a night.
Fact 2: Riddler need only know all targets exact role.
Fact 3: if riddler exists, anyone who drops their role with 100% certainty will die by Riddlers hand eventually.

Fact 4: If the riddler guesses wrong on anybody at any point they lose their killing powers for the rest of the game

So why bother guessing at all early? Riddler needs to survive and learn people’s roles. Having more people around helps them survive and narrow roles. They just need one big bloody night at the end. No need to kill Chaq now. Keeping him around helps riddler avoid being the NK.

My original point had the crux of "if jailer doesn't protect" so I'm not saying we shouldn't try at some point. What creeps you out so much to make this big fuss about it?

[damo666]

Fact 1: Riddler can hit multiple targets a night.
Fact 2: Riddler need only know all targets exact role.
Fact 3: if riddler exists, anyone who drops their role with 100% certainty will die by Riddlers hand eventually.

Fact 4: If the riddler guesses wrong on anybody at any point they lose their killing powers for the rest of the game

Fact 5: The toddler doesn't have to kill every night.
Fact 6: We don't know Chaqa's exact role.

Re 6. So?

[kgray]

##vote Bunny

For emphasis? Cool. Glad my disagreement about vecna’s tone convinced you to overlook everything else.

Yup, I only voted for emphasis, and because you and I disagree about vecna's tone. Not because I've been scumreading you for a bunch of other reasons that I've mentioned in the last hour or so.

[BunnyGo]

Fact 4: If the riddler guesses wrong on anybody at any point they lose their killing powers for the rest of the game

So why bother guessing at all early? Riddler needs to survive and learn people’s roles. Having more people around helps them survive and narrow roles. They just need one big bloody night at the end. No need to kill Chaq now. Keeping him around helps riddler avoid being the NK.

My original point had the crux of "if jailer doesn't protect" so I'm not saying we shouldn't try at some point. What creeps you out so much to make this big fuss about it?

The definitive way you said that we no longer need to worry about a riddler. The riddler is terrifying and should be considered as such still.

[damo666]

Perhaps Bunny is the piddler. He's obviously given it some thought.

[BunnyGo]

##vote Bunny

For emphasis? Cool. Glad my disagreement about vecna’s tone convinced you to overlook everything else.

Yup, I only voted for emphasis, and because you and I disagree about vecna's tone. Not because I've been scumreading you for a bunch of other reasons that I've mentioned in the last hour or so.

Lol.

[TrPrado]

So why bother guessing at all early? Riddler needs to survive and learn people’s roles. Having more people around helps them survive and narrow roles. They just need one big bloody night at the end. No need to kill Chaq now. Keeping him around helps riddler avoid being the NK.

My original point had the crux of "if jailer doesn't protect" so I'm not saying we shouldn't try at some point. What creeps you out so much to make this big fuss about it?

The definitive way you said that we no longer need to worry about a riddler. The riddler is terrifying and should be considered as such still.

It wasn't definitive, it was conditional

[bozotheclown]

Does jailer protect from riddler? If not then either the riddler has already lost their powers and it’s not urgent for us to find or we have freelancer and should avoid stating theories about who we think they are

This is soooo wrong as to be creepy.

No it isn’t. If jailer does NOT protect from the riddler there is zero reason for Chaqa to be alive. If that’s the case then either the riddler is unable to achieve win condition OR if we have the freelancer then it is bad for town to look for 3P. Freelancer is effectively a miskill since their win condition doesn’t contradict ours.

The riddler must identify the exact role, so they would only have had a 1/3 chance of killing Chaqa, which is one reason why it was a good idea for Chaqa to crumb and claim the way he did.

[BunnyGo]

Perhaps Bunny is the piddler. He's obviously given it some thought.

I did give that one some thought.

But no...my play is just off my game as someone said (Flum?)

I could be happy with it if I was the other 3 P. Trying to draw a NK while not looking too towny to avoid a DK. But sadly that’s not it either.