M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[Durga]

im actually a bit suspicious of HR here. He's not taking this approach of trying to single out people that looked scummy over how a d1 lynch went like this in any of his recent games that I can remember, and he certainly is overboasting about his own contribution to the summit lynch.

Sure he found himself on that wagon early, but his justification was very thin, and he just sheeped after 3-4 of the main voices in the thread had made their opinion clear and it had become the top wagon. It certainly would be good timing to get on that wagon in a juicy position for a slot that was already looking very wobbly.

And yes, im aware that HR hates bussing.

HR does not hate bussing, also, this is a stretch and feels like omgus from you

[Vecna]

Elaborate on why it is a stretch?

[kgray]

We did. I was not aware how obtuse he could be. It’s one thing hearing it.

Well, when it's a main topic of discussion for most of a phase and you at least had a "warning" about what his scum meta was like, then it's hard to understand why you would twice question why anyone would scumread summit and continue to suggest that you know nothing about his meta.

I understand your point. My point is that hearing he’s this incompetent is different. I usually trust that people improve. That they learn. That they modify what they’ve done when publicly and loudly excoriated for errors and explained that something else would be better.

I did not fully appreciate how bad he would be, and how hopeless he would be to change his play. Someone who experienced it first hand last time might be less surprised about these facts.

I guess I'm still caught up on why you questioned the wagon twice when I, at least, made my reasons for scumreading him very clear. If you now agree that his play was really so hopeless, it seems very odd for town!Bunny to be so stubbornly unable to see why I scumread him at the time.

[Vecna]

Like, theres a pretty clear answer to why its a stretch, but this sounds like a good moment for quiz-time

[Durga]

Like, theres a pretty clear answer to why its a stretch, but this sounds like a good moment for quiz-time

It's a stretch because you're calling things that aren't sus, sus. Ie him over boasting - this is you reaching

[Tom Bombadil]

Also, people seem to be really overlooking Bunny's weird reactions when the Summit wagon first appeared.

What’s with the summit wagon? Should we hammer it?

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I don’t understand the summit wagon at all. ##vote Donny ##end

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Something I also noticed is Tom called out Chaqa pretty aggressively for not understanding the case against Summit, but didn't comment on Bunny's questioning of the wagon. I townread Tom but if Bunny flips scum then this could point to scum!Tom, and vice versa. It seems like Chaqa questioning the summit wagon was a big part of Tom's scumread of Chaqa:

I don't really follow the summit case, or the end votes. Is this just Day 1 memes still?

What don’t you understand about it. It’s like the simplest case of all time? You can agree or disagree with it, but I find it hard to believe if you genuinely looked you would be confused by it...

I still don’t like Chaqa’s post.

He could have said the case on summit was garbage (which is what he is now claiming). Instead he said he wasn’t following the case. To me that just seems like someone actually wanting to dissuade people from voting summit and instead trying to get towncred if summit is town and flips.

Then again, Chaqa is pretty lazy - so it could be NAI. I guess just a connection I want to keep in mind if either of these two flip.

Kgray seems really aggressive this game. More so than I remember. Not sure what to think of that, but it comes across on the surface as pretty towny.

Worcejs post right after GMs clarified PMs was weird: “I love how people don’t pay attention to things when they happen”. What was that supposed to mean? Was he insinuating that he got the VT role PM and noticed the messages. Softing VT is weird and seems forced, but I may just not be understanding what he is trying to say.

I much more respond to people as I’m online versus catching up and asking a bunch of questions. I find rapid responses are more helpful in sorting versus allowing someone hours to respond where they can make a careful reply.

Second, I never really scumread Chaqa. Even in that post, I more or less said Chaqa is lazy and promoted a connection between Chaqa and summit (which turned out obviously to be wrong)

Regarding Bunny, I guess the timing of the Maniac questioning struck me. I haven’t reread Bunny at all - but that stuck with me because it occurred right after my naked Manic vote and i had my eyes open to see how folks reacted

[Vecna]

Like, theres a pretty clear answer to why its a stretch, but this sounds like a good moment for quiz-time

It's a stretch because you're calling things that aren't sus, sus. Ie him over boasting - this is you reaching

You said the same thing about flum last game. HR was asking people why theyre not attributing him the same level of credit as Kgray and Tom B - while those people were pushing way harder for the summit wagon. HR made 1 very short post and a 2 line followup post later on about why he was not moving his vote.

Why not ask me more about it instead of jumping straight to the defence of HR? Its not like he needs it.

This is the 3rd time youre doing these odd type of buddying/white knighting posts this game. Alongside your continuous posts of "flum u scun this game?" its not a particularly good look on you.

[Durga]

Like, theres a pretty clear answer to why its a stretch, but this sounds like a good moment for quiz-time

It's a stretch because you're calling things that aren't sus, sus. Ie him over boasting - this is you reaching

You said the same thing about flum last game. HR was asking people why theyre not attributing him the same level of credit as Kgray and Tom B - while those people were pushing way harder for the summit wagon. HR made 1 very short post and a 2 line followup post later on about why he was not moving his vote.

Why not ask me more about it instead of jumping straight to the defence of HR? Its not like he needs it.

This is the 3rd time youre doing these odd type of buddying/white knighting posts this game. Alongside your continuous posts of "flum u scun this game?" its not a particularly good look on you.

What continuous posts? Please list them.

I'm critiquing you moreso than I'm defending HR, I'm not sure why you're being so defensive but it's throwing me off. You seem rattled tbh

And dw if I were scum you'd be my #1 buddy target

[Vecna]

cmon ghug, jump in here, I bet you cant wait to jump on me as well

[Vecna]

It's a stretch because you're calling things that aren't sus, sus. Ie him over boasting - this is you reaching

You said the same thing about flum last game. HR was asking people why theyre not attributing him the same level of credit as Kgray and Tom B - while those people were pushing way harder for the summit wagon. HR made 1 very short post and a 2 line followup post later on about why he was not moving his vote.

Why not ask me more about it instead of jumping straight to the defence of HR? Its not like he needs it.

This is the 3rd time youre doing these odd type of buddying/white knighting posts this game. Alongside your continuous posts of "flum u scun this game?" its not a particularly good look on you.

What continuous posts? Please list them.

I'm critiquing you moreso than I'm defending HR, I'm not sure why you're being so defensive but it's throwing me off. You seem rattled tbh

And dw if I were scum you'd be my #1 buddy target

yeah im annoyed

[ghug]

cmon ghug, jump in here, I bet you cant wait to jump on me as well

I'll get u later bb

[Durga]

You said the same thing about flum last game. HR was asking people why theyre not attributing him the same level of credit as Kgray and Tom B - while those people were pushing way harder for the summit wagon. HR made 1 very short post and a 2 line followup post later on about why he was not moving his vote.

Why not ask me more about it instead of jumping straight to the defence of HR? Its not like he needs it.

This is the 3rd time youre doing these odd type of buddying/white knighting posts this game. Alongside your continuous posts of "flum u scun this game?" its not a particularly good look on you.

What continuous posts? Please list them.

I'm critiquing you moreso than I'm defending HR, I'm not sure why you're being so defensive but it's throwing me off. You seem rattled tbh

And dw if I were scum you'd be my #1 buddy target

yeah im annoyed

But why??

[Vecna]

Are you town reading me Druga?

Who's Druga? :/

Also, I want to say scum!flum doesn't have that exchange about scum reading summit bc he appears offline. But you tricked me last time. Now I have trust issues.

Flum, be real with me, are you scum again?

These 2 posts are totally a continuous thing

[Durga]

Are you town reading me Druga?

Who's Druga? :/

Also, I want to say scum!flum doesn't have that exchange about scum reading summit bc he appears offline. But you tricked me last time. Now I have trust issues.

Flum, be real with me, are you scum again?

These 2 posts are totally a continuous thing

I would say you're stretching again but I wouldn't want to be at risk for buddying myself

[Vecna]

What continuous posts? Please list them.

I'm critiquing you moreso than I'm defending HR, I'm not sure why you're being so defensive but it's throwing me off. You seem rattled tbh

And dw if I were scum you'd be my #1 buddy target

yeah im annoyed

But why??

probably a combination of having a stomach flue and having to read all these wonderful level 1 logic posts why me asking people to wait with voting summit totally makes me scum.

[Vecna]

Who's Druga? :/

Also, I want to say scum!flum doesn't have that exchange about scum reading summit bc he appears offline. But you tricked me last time. Now I have trust issues.

Flum, be real with me, are you scum again?

These 2 posts are totally a continuous thing

I would say you're stretching again but I wouldn't want to be at risk for buddying myself

Everyone knows you dont play mafia with factual and rational representations of the truth. Emotional hyperbole is what gets shit done.

[BunnyGo]

Yeah not a huge fan of how you jumped into this conversation and answered a question that wasn't directed at you just to throw shade at me.

Is this shade? You've been pretty loud about his play being in line with scum meta.

If someone other than you had bussed him for this reason, who would it be?

Oh, you're saying Bunny was just saying I'm one of those people familiar with his meta differences? Maybe I misinterpreted his post. Sorry Bunny.

Then to answer the original question, based on who was in M1015 I think those people are probably me, Vecna, rivera, and HR. But I also talked about summit's meta a lot in both versions of this game, and I think it's easy enough to see the difference looking at his ISOs.

Cool

[BunnyGo]

Well, when it's a main topic of discussion for most of a phase and you at least had a "warning" about what his scum meta was like, then it's hard to understand why you would twice question why anyone would scumread summit and continue to suggest that you know nothing about his meta.

I understand your point. My point is that hearing he’s this incompetent is different. I usually trust that people improve. That they learn. That they modify what they’ve done when publicly and loudly excoriated for errors and explained that something else would be better.

I did not fully appreciate how bad he would be, and how hopeless he would be to change his play. Someone who experienced it first hand last time might be less surprised about these facts.

I guess I'm still caught up on why you questioned the wagon twice when I, at least, made my reasons for scumreading him very clear. If you now agree that his play was really so hopeless, it seems very odd for town!Bunny to be so stubbornly unable to see why I scumread him at the time.

I’ve been mostly checked out. I was coasting yesterday just so I’d have something to read later.

[Fluminator]

Chill Vecna. You're hardly everyone's top suspect.
You have to admit objectively VCA makes you look bad. (It makes a lot of people look bad)

Bunny, how's life bro?

[ghug]

Chill Vecna. You're hardly everyone's top suspect.
You have to admit objectively VCA makes you look bad. (It makes a lot of people look bad)

Bunny, how's life bro?

Defending Durga, eh?