M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[worcej]

I see no scum motivation for flash doing what he did

What if the motivation was just to bus?

[BunnyGo]

The thing I most suspect about Bunny is that when the Maniac wagon started going, I had naked voted and someone else followed. In both cases Bunny wanted to know why we were voting Maniac. Certainly reasonable considering I have no explanation - but in hindsight it almost comes across as desperately wanting a reason to latch on to and justify a move to Maiac.

Did you not notice Bunny questioning the summit wagon?

Apparently not. I don’t know why he thinks me questioning the counter wagon is scummy but doesn’t bother pointing out me questions summits wagon. That’s scummy too! Hey wait, me not knowing anything is scuuuuuuuuuummmmmy!!!!

[worcej]

I agree with this on the cc point.

I do too, if he was doing it for any other reason he probably would have claimed much earlier. I don't think he even wanted to survive D1.

I don't. I think he was tryng to get a CC AND survive. And if Chaqa didn't CC I think he could have escaped as you don't kill an uncced PR.
If he claimed earlier the chance of a CC is higher.

You don't agree with my point or the ones these guys added on with?

[kgray]

Also, people seem to be really overlooking Bunny's weird reactions when the Summit wagon first appeared.


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Considering this it seems odd BunnyGo was the one player summit decided to scum read and vote for (he voted for Maniac later but said he did not scum read him).

WIFOM moment honestly.

Do you think summit has the potential to try to make his scum team look better?

If I recall correctly, last time he was scum he said this would be what he would do if caught.

What are you basing this on?

[worcej]

Considering this it seems odd BunnyGo was the one player summit decided to scum read and vote for (he voted for Maniac later but said he did not scum read him).

WIFOM moment honestly.

Do you think summit has the potential to try to make his scum team look better?

If I recall correctly, last time he was scum he said this would be what he would do if caught.

What are you basing this on?

My quick read of your mafia thread. I could be wrong, thus the 'if I recall correctly'.

[kgray]

@ghug you actually think I would place a vote on the item thief as scum when I could have just as easily stayed on a scummy looking Chaqa or pushed something else? Why does it feel like you're low key undermining me all game

Do you think he wasn't bussed at all?

I think the most likely bussers are those who are familiar with his scum game and know it's a liability *more* than the item thief is a benefit. I don't know who those people are. I think kgray is one, she'd probably know how to find others.

Yeah not a huge fan of how you jumped into this conversation and answered a question that wasn't directed at you just to throw shade at me.

[kgray]

I think the most likely bussers are those who are familiar with his scum game and know it's a liability *more* than the item thief is a benefit. I don't know who those people are. I think kgray is one, she'd probably know how to find others.

And you think im not one of those people?

I was the one that started the summit wagon in that game where we learned the meta, and if people had sheeped me there that game wouldve went a whole lot different (since Kgray was also making shady movements to protect Summit there).

I don’t know who knows that meta. I don’t recall that game.

Okay but we talked about summit's meta extensively in round 1 of this game, and how scummy he was in M1015, the game Vecna is referring to. It really seems like you're being intentionally ignorant about this.

[BunnyGo]

Do you think he wasn't bussed at all?

I think the most likely bussers are those who are familiar with his scum game and know it's a liability *more* than the item thief is a benefit. I don't know who those people are. I think kgray is one, she'd probably know how to find others.

Yeah not a huge fan of how you jumped into this conversation and answered a question that wasn't directed at you just to throw shade at me.

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[BunnyGo]

And you think im not one of those people?

I was the one that started the summit wagon in that game where we learned the meta, and if people had sheeped me there that game wouldve went a whole lot different (since Kgray was also making shady movements to protect Summit there).

I don’t know who knows that meta. I don’t recall that game.

Okay but we talked about summit's meta extensively in round 1 of this game, and how scummy he was in M1015, the game Vecna is referring to. It really seems like you're being intentionally ignorant about this.

We did. I was not aware how obtuse he could be. It’s one thing hearing it.

[rdrivera2005]

I do too, if he was doing it for any other reason he probably would have claimed much earlier. I don't think he even wanted to survive D1.

I don't. I think he was tryng to get a CC AND survive. And if Chaqa didn't CC I think he could have escaped as you don't kill an uncced PR.
If he claimed earlier the chance of a CC is higher.

You don't agree with my point or the ones these guys added on with?

I was answering to Kgray and Donny that thinks Summit didn't want to save himself.

I don't remember what's your point....

[kgray]

I don't. I think he was tryng to get a CC AND survive. And if Chaqa didn't CC I think he could have escaped as you don't kill an uncced PR.
If he claimed earlier the chance of a CC is higher.

You don't agree with my point or the ones these guys added on with?

I was answering to Kgray and Donny that thinks Summit didn't want to save himself.

I don't remember what's your point....

Don't think Donny said that summit didn't want to save himself? That was just what I think.

[ghug]

Do you think he wasn't bussed at all?

I think the most likely bussers are those who are familiar with his scum game and know it's a liability *more* than the item thief is a benefit. I don't know who those people are. I think kgray is one, she'd probably know how to find others.

Yeah not a huge fan of how you jumped into this conversation and answered a question that wasn't directed at you just to throw shade at me.

Is this shade? You've been pretty loud about his play being in line with scum meta.

If someone other than you had bussed him for this reason, who would it be?

[kgray]

I don’t know who knows that meta. I don’t recall that game.

Okay but we talked about summit's meta extensively in round 1 of this game, and how scummy he was in M1015, the game Vecna is referring to. It really seems like you're being intentionally ignorant about this.

We did. I was not aware how obtuse he could be. It’s one thing hearing it.

Well, when it's a main topic of discussion for most of a phase and you at least had a "warning" about what his scum meta was like, then it's hard to understand why you would twice question why anyone would scumread summit and continue to suggest that you know nothing about his meta.

[BunnyGo]

Okay but we talked about summit's meta extensively in round 1 of this game, and how scummy he was in M1015, the game Vecna is referring to. It really seems like you're being intentionally ignorant about this.

We did. I was not aware how obtuse he could be. It’s one thing hearing it.

Well, when it's a main topic of discussion for most of a phase and you at least had a "warning" about what his scum meta was like, then it's hard to understand why you would twice question why anyone would scumread summit and continue to suggest that you know nothing about his meta.

I understand your point. My point is that hearing he’s this incompetent is different. I usually trust that people improve. That they learn. That they modify what they’ve done when publicly and loudly excoriated for errors and explained that something else would be better.

I did not fully appreciate how bad he would be, and how hopeless he would be to change his play. Someone who experienced it first hand last time might be less surprised about these facts.

[worcej]

I don't. I think he was tryng to get a CC AND survive. And if Chaqa didn't CC I think he could have escaped as you don't kill an uncced PR.
If he claimed earlier the chance of a CC is higher.

You don't agree with my point or the ones these guys added on with?

I was answering to Kgray and Donny that thinks Summit didn't want to save himself.

I don't remember what's your point....

Mine was I don't think he was trying to get a CC than anything, somewhat in line with their thinking.

[Vecna]

im actually a bit suspicious of HR here. He's not taking this approach of trying to single out people that looked scummy over how a d1 lynch went like this in any of his recent games that I can remember, and he certainly is overboasting about his own contribution to the summit lynch.

Sure he found himself on that wagon early, but his justification was very thin, and he just sheeped after 3-4 of the main voices in the thread had made their opinion clear and it had become the top wagon. It certainly would be good timing to get on that wagon in a juicy position for a slot that was already looking very wobbly.

And yes, im aware that HR hates bussing.

[worcej]

You don't agree with my point or the ones these guys added on with?

I was answering to Kgray and Donny that thinks Summit didn't want to save himself.

I don't remember what's your point....

Mine was I don't think he was trying to get a CC than anything, somewhat in line with their thinking.

Wow, my english sucked here...

"Mine was I don't think he was trying to get anything more than a CC at that point, somewhat in line with their thinking."

[Vecna]

his post on p55 was pretty alright though I guess...

[kgray]

I think the most likely bussers are those who are familiar with his scum game and know it's a liability *more* than the item thief is a benefit. I don't know who those people are. I think kgray is one, she'd probably know how to find others.

Yeah not a huge fan of how you jumped into this conversation and answered a question that wasn't directed at you just to throw shade at me.

Is this shade? You've been pretty loud about his play being in line with scum meta.

If someone other than you had bussed him for this reason, who would it be?

Oh, you're saying Bunny was just saying I'm one of those people familiar with his meta differences? Maybe I misinterpreted his post. Sorry Bunny.

Then to answer the original question, based on who was in M1015 I think those people are probably me, Vecna, rivera, and HR. But I also talked about summit's meta a lot in both versions of this game, and I think it's easy enough to see the difference looking at his ISOs.

[Vecna]

I guess it only works if Maniac is also scum, which seems....unlikely in the best of cases.