M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[damo666]

What is this nonsense I’m cleared town

Who suggested you were?

You literally quoted the post I said it?

Why the question mark?

[BunnyGo]

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I’m going to miss EOD2 if we don’t end early. Not gonna sneak my phone during kol nidre.

[worcej]

I don't use this anonymous thing and I hardly remember to look who is online. I use the bot to read when I am at work as the site is blocked.

I went anon only because someone called me out for my status being online for many hours due to the page being up on my work computer.

I assume it only marks you as online if you have refreshed the page within the last x minutes, no? I may be wrong, but I don't believe the implementation has a webworker constantly pinging the site to keep our online status up-to-date.

I went anonymous ages ago after ghug used my online status to help mislynch me and win the game for scum.

Not sure exactly - either way I want to avoid the same issue you experienced.

[worcej]

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I’m going to miss EOD2 if we don’t end early. Not gonna sneak my phone during kol nidre.

If only night phases worked this way...

[BunnyGo]

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I’m going to miss EOD2 if we don’t end early. Not gonna sneak my phone during kol nidre.

If only night phases worked this way...

We just need unanimous hammer, right?

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE

Ending the Night phase early requires EVERY living player to PM the GMs with "End" - you don't vote for it in the thread.

Note that a 100% vote, not a majority, is required.

[Nanook]

Who suggested you were?

You literally quoted the post I said it?

Why the question mark?

Why the question?

[Nanook]

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I’m going to miss EOD2 if we don’t end early. Not gonna sneak my phone during kol nidre.

EOD is overrated anyways

[worcej]

worcej also prime suspect.

no mention of summit early at all, even when summit was leading wagon throughout. THen started pushing Nanook wagon pretty hard for sketch reasons, and Nanook is a likely miskill target. Then hopped on damo for some reason (even though he would later shade summit) before trying to get Nanook going again. Shaded summit at the same time as this second push on Nanook - which was out of the blue, which now seems like a total hedge, yet never voted summit.

Never voted Maniac though, which is strange if Maniac is town.

More of notes - people who either didn't or barely did engage with summit:

My TL;DR summary is in the ( )'s for each one

1. worcej (I didn't scum read him - his lack of doing anything wasn't flagging my attention like the obviously scummy actions)
2. Bunny (only comments really were he OMGUS'ed and then moved to him once the CC was made)
3. Vecna (was skeptical he was scum at all and wasn't too interested in the vote and ultimately sheeps onto it because it was inevitable)
4. Nanook (no actual game interaction, like myself)
5. Donny (same situation as Nanook - no real interaction and just voted him after the CC)
6. Maniac (No game comments and scum leans him in final reads list)
7. Rdr (a couple 'I would rather X than X' posts and no real read on summit)
8. Seth (pointed the kgray and Flum had good reasoning, then in last 11 minutes seems to believe he is scum. Very little interaction with the game overall honestly)

People who came on strong on or against summit - this is intended as NAI, so don't assume a read from it:

1. Flum (called summit scum based on a weak response regarding his online status. I didn't take this as sarcasm when I read it. Happened with ~31 hours left of phase)
2. kgray (right around Flum's read made her read based on recent scum game)
3. TrPrado (very against the case for summit with 21 hours left in the phase and pokes at the scum reads of him until finally voting him after the CC)
4. Flash (have to put here - his vote was a joke but it stuck)

[bozotheclown]

what makes you say that Bozo? There must be some reasoning behind that statement

Assuming you are talking about the previous post, I meant that I do not think summit would be inclined to bus a teammate as his only scum read when it looked likely he would be the kill because I believe he would know everyone would consider possible bussing.

[bozotheclown]

I don't like Bunny's iso. ##vote bunny

BunnyGo was summit's only scum read. I know summit bussed Macca in M1015, but I do not think he would be bussing here.

Also need to understand why you are confident on the lack of bussing possibility.

I am not confident, it could be WIFOM, but I think summit would not want to draw attention to BunnyGo if BunnyGo was his partner knowing there was a good chance he would be the kill.

[worcej]

BunnyGo was summit's only scum read. I know summit bussed Macca in M1015, but I do not think he would be bussing here.

Also need to understand why you are confident on the lack of bussing possibility.

I am not confident, it could be WIFOM, but I think summit would not want to draw attention to BunnyGo if BunnyGo was his partner knowing there was a good chance he would be the kill.

Not a bad reason. I usually dismiss it personally because I believe this would be the common assumption to be made.

[Hellenic Riot]

worcej also prime suspect.

no mention of summit early at all, even when summit was leading wagon throughout. THen started pushing Nanook wagon pretty hard for sketch reasons, and Nanook is a likely miskill target. Then hopped on damo for some reason (even though he would later shade summit) before trying to get Nanook going again. Shaded summit at the same time as this second push on Nanook - which was out of the blue, which now seems like a total hedge, yet never voted summit.

Never voted Maniac though, which is strange if Maniac is town.

More of notes - people who either didn't or barely did engage with summit:

My TL;DR summary is in the ( )'s for each one

1. worcej (I didn't scum read him - his lack of doing anything wasn't flagging my attention like the obviously scummy actions)
2. Bunny (only comments really were he OMGUS'ed and then moved to him once the CC was made)
3. Vecna (was skeptical he was scum at all and wasn't too interested in the vote and ultimately sheeps onto it because it was inevitable)
4. Nanook (no actual game interaction, like myself)
5. Donny (same situation as Nanook - no real interaction and just voted him after the CC)
6. Maniac (No game comments and scum leans him in final reads list)
7. Rdr (a couple 'I would rather X than X' posts and no real read on summit)
8. Seth (pointed the kgray and Flum had good reasoning, then in last 11 minutes seems to believe he is scum. Very little interaction with the game overall honestly)

People who came on strong on or against summit - this is intended as NAI, so don't assume a read from it:

1. Flum (called summit scum based on a weak response regarding his online status. I didn't take this as sarcasm when I read it. Happened with ~31 hours left of phase)
2. kgray (right around Flum's read made her read based on recent scum game)
3. TrPrado (very against the case for summit with 21 hours left in the phase and pokes at the scum reads of him until finally voting him after the CC)
4. Flash (have to put here - his vote was a joke but it stuck)

Come now, I don't make the second group?

[Maniac]

I am not confident, it could be WIFOM, but I think summit would not want to draw attention to BunnyGo if BunnyGo was his partner knowing there was a good chance he would be the kill.

Is this the first mention of WIFOM this game. I seem to remember more Wine in previous games

[ghug]

WOAH! When you're hidden your name appears italicized below. That's SO COOL!!

He turned water into wine
And if he wanted to
He could have turned wheat into marijuana
Or sugar into cocaine
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines
He walked on the water
And swam on the land
He would tell these stories
And people would listen
He was really cool

[Hellenic Riot]

I deserve to be on the chopping block for tomorrow, I gave some weird defenses of summit throughout the day and only voted for him after the claim. Tom and HR look really good right now and I'm less certain of damo being scum, wavering on flash though. I think seth's posts were really weird.

Some good pre-emptive defence going on here - What makes Tom in particular look so good? Kgray & I were the most consistent drivers on that wagon, so crediting Tom and not Kgray seems like a pretty intereting take here

[Maniac]

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I’m going to miss EOD2 if we don’t end early. Not gonna sneak my phone during kol nidre.

Sorry Bunny 11pm is only time that's really good for me. Enjoy Kol Nidre. In truth I didn't know what it is but googled it. Also learnt that Neil Diamond is Jewish. You learn something new everyday.

[Donny Dude]

I totally agree that Summit won't claim if Maniac was scum. Yes, he can be traitor, but it's a less likely possibility, so I would give Maniac some credit.

On VCA, Ghug, Moscow and Tom get most towny points. Prado and Damo get most scummy points. Worcej also doesn't look good, but I still don't get scum vibes from him. And everybody already pointed this

Kgray is a solid town, she was the one giving a solid reason to scumread Summit, having played with scum Summit before. Flum reasoning is weird, but I don't see scum bussing that way. I would add Flash, HR and Durga to probably town (at least not people to worry at D2). The late voters are less towny as we should have some bussers.

My top scum suspects are now Prado, Bunny and Seth. Nannok also by elimination. Damo and Worcej could be fooling me, but I still townread them.

Why wouldn’t summit claim if he knew Maniac was scum? He got a CC out of it.

I don’t think summit claimed to draw attention away from maniac - I think he did it just to get a CC

I agree with this on the cc point.

[BunnyGo]

WOAH! When you're hidden your name appears italicized below. That's SO COOL!!

He turned water into wine
And if he wanted to
He could have turned wheat into marijuana
Or sugar into cocaine
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines
He walked on the water
And swam on the land
He would tell these stories
And people would listen
He was really cool

Jesus was way cool

[Hellenic Riot]

Also, people seem to be really overlooking Bunny's weird reactions when the Summit wagon first appeared.

What’s with the summit wagon? Should we hammer it?

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##vote Donny Dude

I hate his post parroting kgray

##vote Tom
gah

I don’t understand the summit wagon at all. ##vote Donny ##end

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