MAFIA XXXVI: ODDJOB'S REVENGE

[RagingIke297]

1) Ike - as I've said before the longer town operates under Schrodinger's Ike while the Scum do not the less accurate our ability to read scum actions becomes.

This is the same for everyone to a lesser effect, so it's not a great argument for my lynch today. I agree that unless I can prove myself as a town member I need to be a D6 or D7 lynch unless I get NK'ed.

[dargorygel]

@telamor
Your description of copscan does not answer my concern. Why did you state that we should lynch Ike, when he is an uncontested PR claimant? It is particularly concerning to me that you have gone silent about the issue ever since (and ever since you have received some questioning on the subject.)

This looks very scummy to me.

##vote telamor

[dargorygel]

@telamor
Can you elaborate here: "That said if either Balki or Snowy flipped scum it seems likely the other would be too. The same stands for Balki and Tham. "

[thamrick]

Anyway, I am inclined to believe Balki so:

##Vote Ghug

If Balki is lying we lynch him tomorrow.

This post is gross.

@Jamie - Balki has given very little meat to his argument other than how ghug's interactions relate to himself (Balki). What specifically do you believe about Balki's case? And why would Balki being wrong, mean that he's a policy lynch tomorrow?

[thamrick]

Ope. I read further down the page.

@Jamie - why did you believe Balki's push on ghug at the time? My question about the policy lynch still applies.

[thamrick]

Why is yavu asking about bussing now? He’s been in games where ‘bussing’ has definitely been used. He’s full on acting like he’s had a lobotomy after the last two games...

I don't remember I used that before. You can look at my chat history of all my life, I bet you can't find. I usually die - and this is usually a kind of mislynch, I have never finished a game alive before at WebDip mafia (even not a lost game!) and I couldn't see later parts of a game - I always stopped following games when I died so far. I don't remember I knew what it means (even I think I haven't heard it before).

You’ve actually directly addressed someone claiming you were bussing in M34, and never had to ask what it meant.

I think it’s not ignorance. I think it’s laziness. You’ve had a don’t give a fuck attitude regarding the entire game. Stated you’ve not read, aren’t going to read, ignoring multiple pages of posts. But you’re still giving opinions and reads.

You don’t need to read to make reads, if you already know everyone’s alignment.

I also found yav's statement weird. I'm 99% sure that yav has seen the term bussing before in his time playing mafia. But I don't get why he'd be so adamant that he hadn't if he were scum. I think he legitimately just doesn't remember seeing it and it's NAI.

The second part of your post is more important. It does seem like a dgaf (don't give a fuck) attitude. It doesn't feel like yav's attitude when he was scum the last game, but he got caught D1 so idk. I've been townreading yav from meta but ISO of yav is pretty bland.


@yav - who are your top 3 townreads and why? Who are your top 3 scumreads and why?

[thamrick]

Right, and I'm saying he did so because he thought it was. I'm asking what the bit about not killing Balki is. When would he have even had the chance to do that, given that the supposed claim happened today?

Much of Jamie's assumption involves stuff that happened before EON2

Being what, exactly?


Regardless, scum Jamie would know I'm town, which was enough information for it to not even occur to me that that could be a cop claim. I also highly doubt he'd PR fish so blatantly.

Obviously this hinges on your role knowledge and I get your point that if you are town, Jamie being scum trying to point to Balki claiming PR is unlikely. But why was Jamie trying to shoulder all blame on Balki and saying that if we lynched you today and you were town, that Balki is auto-lynched tomorrow?

[ghug]

If the metric for whether a person is scum consists solely of their ability to understand compound words I think the whole game may be scum.

You'd be surprised.

Obviously this hinges on your role knowledge and I get your point that if you are town, Jamie being scum trying to point to Balki claiming PR is unlikely. But why was Jamie trying to shoulder all blame on Balki and saying that if we lynched you today and you were town, that Balki is auto-lynched tomorrow?

He thought it was a cop claim. Seems like a very Jamie reaction to me.

[ghug]

Can we turn the ghug and Jamie wagons into an Ezio wagon?

[rdrivera2005]

I am getting a really bad vibe about Thamrick, it's just like he isn't really trying to solve the game, just participate to avoid being a lurker. The Yav questioning seems so forced and his vote on Stressed is also something I don't like.
My other option to vote now is Snowy. I don't have a solid scumread on him but it will give some answers about yesterday and his lack of will to engage in the game is annoying.
For now ##vote Thamrick

[rdrivera2005]

Can we turn the ghug and Jamie wagons into an Ezio wagon?

If you build a case on him. He didn't even post in D3.

[RagingIke297]

Can we turn the ghug and Jamie wagons into an Ezio wagon?

I'm going to vote no, I like Telamor Vs. Snowy with you as a minor wagon

[thamrick]

Ooh my first time as a wagon, I'm so excited! To answer at least one of the critiques of my scumishness copscan is not a difficult word to figure out. It was used before I said it, I understood it because it's a pretty simple compound word, and then applied it. If the metric for whether a person is scum consists solely of their ability to understand compound words I think the whole game may be scum.

So to contribute a bit to the town here's my lynch priority list:

1) Ike - as I've said before the longer town operates under Schrodinger's Ike while the Scum do not the less accurate our ability to read scum actions becomes.

2) Snowy, Balki, Tham, or Jamie - I'm aware there are those reading Jamie and Snowy as the same alignment but I'm unconvinced that scum would let two members become the lead wagons. That said if either Balki or Snowy flipped scum it seems likely the other would be too. The same stands for Balki and Tham. If Jamie flipped scum it would, at least to me, give snowy a townread.

3) The rest of you lot, I haven't given you lot as much consideration as I should but I'll try and fix that over the course of today.

1) Please elaborate on how our ability to interpret their actions lessens. Also, do you want to lynch Ike because you think he's scum, because it will give us information, or both?


2) All four of these were late Stressed voters. Assuming you're correct and that both Jamie and Snowy are not scum:

a) if Snowy is scum - explain the EoD to me. Jamie was the last vote to move from snowy onto Stressed. If I'm correctly accounting for the wrong syntax vote by Stressed for snowy, Jamie changed the vote from 6-5 lynching snowy over Stressed to 6-5 lynching Stressed over snowy. Why would snowy's scummates have allowed it to come down to a town Jamie vote? You're linking Balki and potentially ghug and myself to snowy. Why wouldn't we as scum have joined the Jamie wagon instead of piling on Stressed to hopefully lynch him (but still need a town vote to flip it)?

b) if Jamie is scum - why does Jamie vote at the very end? Why do any of the 3 (not counting Snowy) you're listing vote for Stressed? Explain the EoD under that scenario.

[Foxcastle]

I don't find Ezio particularly scummy, on a reread. I don't recall him being a big no-lynch advocate in the past few games I've been in with him, so that's new to me. And there's a point where he basically explains how he votes no-lynch and then jumps on a wagon last minute, and that he claims a scumread to "make the vote seem real"—why would he explain that his usual methodology is something that is likely to draw criticism (I think it's easy to say that looks scummy, but Day 1 is a lot of guessing anyway). WIFOM being that maybe he's bearing his ugly soul to us so we think "scum wouldn't be so open about that." But I'm not really inclined to vote for Ezio.

[ghug]

Can we turn the ghug and Jamie wagons into an Ezio wagon?

I'm going to vote no, I like Telamor Vs. Snowy with you as a minor wagon

I argue that this is a point in my favor.

[snowy801]

I'll have half an hour during lunch and before EoD to play
sorry, life etc.

[ghug]

I don't find Ezio particularly scummy, on a reread. I don't recall him being a big no-lynch advocate in the past few games I've been in with him, so that's new to me. And there's a point where he basically explains how he votes no-lynch and then jumps on a wagon last minute, and that he claims a scumread to "make the vote seem real"—why would he explain that his usual methodology is something that is likely to draw criticism (I think it's easy to say that looks scummy, but Day 1 is a lot of guessing anyway). WIFOM being that maybe he's bearing his ugly soul to us so we think "scum wouldn't be so open about that." But I'm not really inclined to vote for Ezio.

I don't think that's the scummy part. Day one actually kinda left me with town vibes He's scummy because he doesn't care about the roleblock weirdness, the roleblock weirdness happened in the first place, the nightkills are his style, and he's playing lazy. He'd be all the fuck over this game as town.

[rdrivera2005]

I don't find Ezio particularly scummy, on a reread. I don't recall him being a big no-lynch advocate in the past few games I've been in with him, so that's new to me. And there's a point where he basically explains how he votes no-lynch and then jumps on a wagon last minute, and that he claims a scumread to "make the vote seem real"—why would he explain that his usual methodology is something that is likely to draw criticism (I think it's easy to say that looks scummy, but Day 1 is a lot of guessing anyway). WIFOM being that maybe he's bearing his ugly soul to us so we think "scum wouldn't be so open about that." But I'm not really inclined to vote for Ezio.

I don't think that's the scummy part. Day one actually kinda left me with town vibes He's scummy because he doesn't care about the roleblock weirdness, the roleblock weirdness happened in the first place, the nightkills are his style, and he's playing lazy. He'd be all the fuck over this game as town.

I can join an Ezio wagon if no one else is interested in pursuing Thamrick.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hi frens I'm back.

I'd be happy with Ezio vs Snowy sure. I scumread them both.

Thamrick the answer to your question is really quite obvious if you re-read that whole section of the game. However if you're too basic to grasp why I voted Ghug (and then took my vote off Ghug again) I will spell it out for you - if you answer my question to you, first.

[yavuzovic]

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I also found yav's statement weird. I'm 99% sure that yav has seen the term bussing before in his time playing mafia. But I don't get why he'd be so adamant that he hadn't if he were scum. I think he legitimately just doesn't remember seeing it and it's NAI.

The second part of your post is more important. It does seem like a dgaf (don't give a fuck) attitude. It doesn't feel like yav's attitude when he was scum the last game, but he got caught D1 so idk. I've been townreading yav from meta but ISO of yav is pretty bland.


@yav - who are your top 3 townreads and why? Who are your top 3 scumreads and why?

ghug - I explained that at my last two post (I'll continue ISOing him after my work. - Nearly 1 hour later.)
Jamiet or Snowy - not both, but I bet one of these guys is scum
DrCJG - His attack on me made me thinking he knows I'm not the same alignment with him.

I really don't have time even to write these. Come back