M59 - Duck Season? - Game Thread

[TrPrado]

It’s buried in the rules. I didn’t see it at first either.

Where in the rules? If there is a RB, it should be in the order of night operations.

##CALL GM: Is there a mafia factional roleblock? If so, can the jailer be roleblocked?

Have you tried going to page 1 and CTRL+F'ing "role"

It is in results 12-21, which is every Mafia role PM except for traitor

[kgray]

Correct. Why am I doing this?

Why are you doing what? What you're doing right now? Or your drunk bunny persona?

Either. Both. Any of it. Who do I have a solid read on and why? What intel am I getting by pushing people like this? Why does nobody else see how scummy Goldie is? It’s like trying to explain that water is wet.

Honestly Bunny trying to understand you is exhausting and I don't have any good answers for you right now. I'm going to think about this later.

Are you going to stand behind your comment that you don't think I'm basically confirmed town?

[bozotheclown]

It’s buried in the rules. I didn’t see it at first either.

Where in the rules? If there is a RB, it should be in the order of night operations.

##CALL GM: Is there a mafia factional roleblock? If so, can the jailer be roleblocked?

Have you tried going to page 1 and CTRL+F'ing "role"

No, but I see now that the RB is mentioned in the mafia role descriptions. We still should know where it falls in the order of operations, so we know if the jailer can be roleblocked. I think typically a jailer would override a roleblocker, but I do not know if that would typically apply to a factional roleblock.

[kgray]

##CALL GM are the RB and NK performed by specific members of the mafia team?

[BunnyGo]

Why are you doing what? What you're doing right now? Or your drunk bunny persona?

Either. Both. Any of it. Who do I have a solid read on and why? What intel am I getting by pushing people like this? Why does nobody else see how scummy Goldie is? It’s like trying to explain that water is wet.

Honestly Bunny trying to understand you is exhausting and I don't have any good answers for you right now. I'm going to think about this later.

Are you going to stand behind your comment that you don't think I'm basically confirmed town?

You are not top of my Town reads. Why should you be?

[TheMadMonarch]

I was hesitant to say this, but since Fluminator is claiming to have a gun and is threatening to shoot the lead wagon at the 24 hour mark, and a number of others are calling for me to be shot:

I claim that I am a VT.

He called show looney toons when it's actually looney tunes. One of the role PMs mentions vanilla toon. I thought it was cute.

The reason I questioned Fluminator on this is because I thought this was the reason Fluminator said something about goldfinger's PM, and it indicates that Fluminator is unlikely to have seen a real VT role PM. So, if Fluminator does not turn out to be a PR, he is probably mafia.

For those who are going to want to complain about potentially outing PRs, I think a mass claim would be a good idea right now, we could probably solve the game today.

I noticed this too and will confirm (if you believe me) that bozo is correct, and therefore I believe he's a VT. Not sure how I feel about massclaim, but hopefully by me saying this we don't have to out any PRs if we don't think we should.

Which part are you so sure that Bozo is correct about?

[TheMadMonarch]

@Macca who do you think are most likely to be Moscow and Tom's partners?

I definitely don't trust Bozo. I've felt bad about him for a while, and I certainly wouldn't oppose taking him out today.

Granted, I haven't met drunk bunny before, but it's not giving me good vibes.

Yeah, I get not liking drunk bunny. What is it about bozo that makes you not trust him?

It's all over the place, none of the reasoning seems good, and (of course) the vibes.

I know that I use "vibes" as my read reasoning, but at least I'm not pretending that I'm not "ascended" and I just know things.

If people trust Bozo again (I do not), I would also be okay with voting Bunny.

[TheMadMonarch]

I would now like everyone to stop derailing the thread with kgray's ridiculous theory. It's blatantly anti town to waste space discussing it vs actual scum reads.

I disagree, and would like you to stop derailing the theory with the same defense. It's blatantly pro-town to follow a pattern that achieves town results. Granted, I already scum read Bozo, but your insistence that it's bad because "bozo is smarter than that"(?) doesn't hold merit.

Here:

No... I said I'd believe it if all four of us flipped scum.

I think Vecna was referring to this post.

Why aren't you sus of me at all Bunny? Because it maybe implicates you with the bozo theory thing? Or are you trying to pocket be subtly? I have noticed you have low key defended me quite a few times and I'm really not sure why.

Heck, if I was anyone else and town in this game, I'd be hella sus of me rn

Which makes a similar point.

It looks to me like you've seen a decent plan which you initially dealt with in a normal way. But now that it's starting to pick up steam and you're on the run, you are trying to push it out with mostly meaningless points.

Even beyond the exact specs of this theory, a lot of people are getting worried about the mentioned players, and your method of deflecting this heat is not, in my opinion, a towny one.

You can't think up good intellectual reasons for why it is wrong because it's not.

Ooh I really like this post. I don't agree with a lot of it, but I really think Macca is town.

Thanks?

[TheMadMonarch]

Re: Tom knew hthefourth and lied about it to mislead town:

That only makes sense if you think Tom knew hthefourth was Tom's teammate. And if you believe that, then how can you explain Tom's reaction to hthefourth's defense of Tom? hthefourth only makes sense as scum if he's the traitor.

Not to mention Goldie also forgot htf? Where does that leave this theory, Bozo?

goldfinger did not say he forgot hthefourth, he said he did not remember hthefourth was in that game.

Wrong.

Since you went and checked the game, did you read the public press? Here is what hthefourth posted after the game:

"Thanks all for a fun game and congratulations to MadMarx. I enjoyed finally understanding what Turkey was actually up to, as well as speculating about the early game in such detail.

For my part I thoroughly butchered this one. Mostly, I had not thought stabbing Goldfinger through--a well-earned early exit. I was struck by the difference between the 100 D bet games that I had played and this one. You folks do not kid around.

Not playing too much diplomacy these days, but I'm sure I'll get a game in with some of you again. Looking forward to it already.

And welcome back, Tom :)"

Oh, I completely forgot hthefourth was England in that game. Yeah he stabbed me and then went radio silent. Completely ruined my game too. If he only sent me about a dozen messages when I was his neighbor, I'd imagine his comms were less to the other people on the board.

Goldie explicitly said "Oh, I completely forgot hthefourth was England in that game."

[kgray]

Either. Both. Any of it. Who do I have a solid read on and why? What intel am I getting by pushing people like this? Why does nobody else see how scummy Goldie is? It’s like trying to explain that water is wet.

Honestly Bunny trying to understand you is exhausting and I don't have any good answers for you right now. I'm going to think about this later.

Are you going to stand behind your comment that you don't think I'm basically confirmed town?

You are not top of my Town reads. Why should you be?

Sigh. I expect you to be able to listen to me better.

[BunnyGo]

Honestly Bunny trying to understand you is exhausting and I don't have any good answers for you right now. I'm going to think about this later.

Are you going to stand behind your comment that you don't think I'm basically confirmed town?

You are not top of my Town reads. Why should you be?

Sigh. I expect you to be able to listen to me better.

True. I need to read more on you. I haven’t focused much because you are not a top scum read either. Those are:

Goldie
Seth
EMC
Prado

[TrPrado]

You are not top of my Town reads. Why should you be?

Sigh. I expect you to be able to listen to me better.

True. I need to read more on you. I haven’t focused much because you are not a top scum read either. Those are:

Goldie
Seth
EMC
Prado

you are also thinking emc on what grounds??

[BunnyGo]

Sigh. I expect you to be able to listen to me better.

True. I need to read more on you. I haven’t focused much because you are not a top scum read either. Those are:

Goldie
Seth
EMC
Prado

you are also thinking emc on what grounds??

Sigh...the same ones for HtF. Considering all the effort EMC has managed to do to counter that, nothing has changed

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM are the RB and NK performed by specific members of the mafia team?

GM NOTE

Yes.

[TrPrado]

True. I need to read more on you. I haven’t focused much because you are not a top scum read either. Those are:

Goldie
Seth
EMC
Prado

you are also thinking emc on what grounds??

Sigh...the same ones for HtF. Considering all the effort EMC has managed to do to counter that, nothing has changed

are you buying into the "they knew each other" rhetoric?

[Jamiet99uk]

It would make sure a scum does not end up with a gun or bomb. Also, is there a factional RB? I do not see anything about it in the setup, and it is not in the night operations list. I thought Vecna was fake claiming RB.

It’s buried in the rules. I didn’t see it at first either.

Where in the rules? If there is a RB, it should be in the order of night operations.

##CALL GM: Is there a mafia factional roleblock? If so, can the jailer be roleblocked?

There is a Mafia factional roleblock which is voted for in the same way as the kill. The fact that the Mafia have such a roleblock is quite clearly indicated in the Role PM for each member of the Mafia team.

A Jailor, if one is present, could be roleblocked. However since the Jailor would select his or her target during the preceding Day phase, the use of the roleblock would cause the Jailor to lose their jailing action in the *next* phase.

[Jamiet99uk]

##callgm - can the gunsmith give both guns in one night?

GM NOTE

No. Item-giving PRs can distribute only one item at a time.

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE

I think that deals with all recent "Call GM" queries, but if I missed one, please let me know by PM.

[Fluminator]

Ok, lets kill HR again
##Vote HR

[BunnyGo]

you are also thinking emc on what grounds??

Sigh...the same ones for HtF. Considering all the effort EMC has managed to do to counter that, nothing has changed

are you buying into the "they knew each other" rhetoric?

No. Don’t care. That’s stupid. Tom never went to college.