M59 - Duck Season? - Game Thread

[Vecna]

I think it more likely town!vecna would be snapping town out of the idea that bozo actually signalled traitor by voting his scumteam immediately on day 1.

Except I was also one of the people very suspicious of Bozo doing those votes in the first place, since he normally never plays like that, and his reasons were all over the place.

Im not going to dismiss it just because it would be stupid on Bozo's part. He is prone to do silly stuff to get himself into trouble as scum all the time.

[Vecna]

That is typical when there is a doctor who can self save, but with a potential cop, the mafia could us the RB on someone else.

I'm not sure you engage in nightkill analysis, but do you have an opinion as to why damo was nightkilled?

I think there are a number of possibilities, it could be because his reads were good, they thought he might be a PR, he was unlikely to be a day kill, or to keep hidden what he thought he saw with foodcoats (if foodcoats is scum).

This I also find quite plausible though.

Bozo is at least going back and forth strongly between posts that sound like his usual town-self, and just absolute whack posts.

[Vecna]

I think it more likely town!vecna would be snapping town out of the idea that bozo actually signalled traitor by voting his scumteam immediately on day 1.

You can call the idea dumb, but the reactions that came from the three people "incriminated" by it was really good.

You had one obvtown, one look very suspicious, and one... well stay true to character.

You think Bozo obvtowned, Durga looks very susp and Bunny is staying true to character?

[Vecna]

The diplomacy game hthefourth mentioned that he was in with Tom ended only a month ago, I think it is suspicious that Tom twice indicated he did not know hthefourth, and hthefourth never commented on it.

this is so desperate lmao

Why you ignored hthefourth defense of you?

His post seems less a defense of me and more an attack on Bunny (which indirectly defends me, but I don’t think that was the intention. I can see why people would scumread Bunny in general because of how he plays. I also don’t know hthefourth, like I do bozo and damo

rdrivera specifically asked why Tom ignored hthefourth defending him, and part of Tom's reason was that he didn't know hthefourth.

that he didnt know him like he does bozo and damo.....

Are you claiming that in a short dip game where tom was italy and H was england that didnt live past 03 tom shouldve gotten to know him at the same level as playing mafia repeatedly with bozo and damo?

I dno man. Back and forth. Towny sounding posts and then back to desperate nonsense.

[yavuzovic]

How can you produce 18 pages just when I sleep?

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 2.2

foodcoats (4) - Hellenic Riot, rdrivera2005, Durga, bozotheclown
bozotheclown (3) - Vecna, Fluminator, TrPrado
worcej (1) - goldfinger0303
goldfinger0303 (1) - BunnyGo
BunnyGo (1) - kgray
seth24c (1) - summit_fever

FOODCOATS is scheduled to be revoked.

The amount of time that is left is 35 hours and a couple of minutes.

Most of you have voted but some of you have not.

[rdrivera2005]

I changed my mind, if I have a gun I would shoot Bozo to either dismiss or prove Kgray theory, otherwise it will keep hijacking the thread.

[TheMadMonarch]

How can you produce 18 pages just when I sleep?

That's nothing. I woke up Thursday morning to 32 pages...

[BunnyGo]

Not sure anybody has voted seth other than me so let's try

##vote durga

I’d join you on Seth over Durga.

Why aren't you sus of me at all Bunny? Because it maybe implicates you with the bozo theory thing? Or are you trying to pocket be subtly? I have noticed you have low key defended me quite a few times and I'm really not sure why.

Heck, if I was anyone else and town in this game, I'd be hella sus of me rn

Because I’m a master of this game. I think I’ve finally attained the nirvana level of it that Flum aspires to, and that when it is attained it is fleeting.

I can read your mind. I have read the intentions, the meta play, the mistakes, the guidelines.

Yes, you “look” suspicious on the surface. But dig deeper and realize that it is from “mistakes” that town!Durga makes from lack of knowledge. Scum!Durga makes different mistakes.

Now take Seth: he made the level 1 type scum errors that you think I’ll ascribe to you. HtF did as well. They look scummy for it.

Goldie made the type of scum mistakes that I’d be more suspicious of you for. He’s scum scum scum.

@Flum: join me in Nirvana. We all suck, we’re all great. We’re having fun. Shoot Gold, I’ve never missed yet.

Leave me and Durga and bozo alone. You’re all failing.

[TheMadMonarch]

VOTE COUNT 2.2

foodcoats (4) - Hellenic Riot, rdrivera2005, Durga, bozotheclown
bozotheclown (3) - Vecna, Fluminator, TrPrado
worcej (1) - goldfinger0303
goldfinger0303 (1) - BunnyGo
BunnyGo (1) - kgray
seth24c (1) - summit_fever

FOODCOATS is scheduled to be revoked.

The amount of time that is left is 35 hours and a couple of minutes.

Most of you have voted but some of you have not.

Oh yeah. For now certainly:

##VOTE Bozo

[TheMadMonarch]

I’d join you on Seth over Durga.

Why aren't you sus of me at all Bunny? Because it maybe implicates you with the bozo theory thing? Or are you trying to pocket be subtly? I have noticed you have low key defended me quite a few times and I'm really not sure why.

Heck, if I was anyone else and town in this game, I'd be hella sus of me rn

Because I’m a master of this game. I think I’ve finally attained the nirvana level of it that Flum aspires to, and that when it is attained it is fleeting.

I can read your mind. I have read the intentions, the meta play, the mistakes, the guidelines.

Yes, you “look” suspicious on the surface. But dig deeper and realize that it is from “mistakes” that town!Durga makes from lack of knowledge. Scum!Durga makes different mistakes.

Now take Seth: he made the level 1 type scum errors that you think I’ll ascribe to you. HtF did as well. They look scummy for it.

Goldie made the type of scum mistakes that I’d be more suspicious of you for. He’s scum scum scum.

@Flum: join me in Nirvana. We all suck, we’re all great. We’re having fun. Shoot Gold, I’ve never missed yet.

Leave me and Durga and bozo alone. You’re all failing.

I do not trust. Maybe I just like the narrative of Bozo revealing the team, but I really think all this defense is disingenuous.

[Vecna]

I’d join you on Seth over Durga.

Why aren't you sus of me at all Bunny? Because it maybe implicates you with the bozo theory thing? Or are you trying to pocket be subtly? I have noticed you have low key defended me quite a few times and I'm really not sure why.

Heck, if I was anyone else and town in this game, I'd be hella sus of me rn

Because I’m a master of this game. I think I’ve finally attained the nirvana level of it that Flum aspires to, and that when it is attained it is fleeting.

I can read your mind. I have read the intentions, the meta play, the mistakes, the guidelines.

Yes, you “look” suspicious on the surface. But dig deeper and realize that it is from “mistakes” that town!Durga makes from lack of knowledge. Scum!Durga makes different mistakes.

Now take Seth: he made the level 1 type scum errors that you think I’ll ascribe to you. HtF did as well. They look scummy for it.

Goldie made the type of scum mistakes that I’d be more suspicious of you for. He’s scum scum scum.

@Flum: join me in Nirvana. We all suck, we’re all great. We’re having fun. Shoot Gold, I’ve never missed yet.

Leave me and Durga and bozo alone. You’re all failing.

Are you just meme'ing at this point?

[BunnyGo]

Didn't Vecna claim roleblock? I'd be almost willing to conftown him for that (the traitor is the only possibily I see) I know he's naturally very scummy and I've led many miskills on him in the past but I don't think I've ever seen scum self rb before, especially with this many PRs in a game.

Wait. He what now? There is no role block character.

[BunnyGo]

Didn't Vecna claim roleblock? I'd be almost willing to conftown him for that (the traitor is the only possibily I see) I know he's naturally very scummy and I've led many miskills on him in the past but I don't think I've ever seen scum self rb before, especially with this many PRs in a game.

Vecna claimed the RB as scum in M44.

Standard meta is to kill and roleblock your nightkill? Is vecna's day 1 going to lead to scum being very concerned he's a PR?

Is anyone self saving here?

[BunnyGo]

Didn't Vecna claim roleblock? I'd be almost willing to conftown him for that (the traitor is the only possibily I see) I know he's naturally very scummy and I've led many miskills on him in the past but I don't think I've ever seen scum self rb before, especially with this many PRs in a game.

Wait. He what now? There is no role block character.

Factional role block...got it.

[BunnyGo]

Standard meta is to kill and roleblock your nightkill? Is vecna's day 1 going to lead to scum being very concerned he's a PR?

That is typical when there is a doctor who can self save, but with a potential cop, the mafia could us the RB on someone else.

I'm not sure you engage in nightkill analysis, but do you have an opinion as to why damo was nightkilled?

Goldie thought he was a PR because he was trying to talk about Flash.

[BunnyGo]

Where's my vote?

Somewhere. I’m researching

Do you want a hint?

Always

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny I'm not convinced on gold. I think it's likely the scumteam thought damo was a PR regardless of whether or not gold is on it, and I disagree that him saying he was going to leave but then not actually leaving is scummy. Also I'm not really seeing the similarities between his two D1s. Can you be more specific?

Did *anyone* else suggest that Damo was a PR? No, we all suggested he was PR hunting.

The similarity? He opens with jokes, and then specifically targets *me* for questioning about something. Then latches on and tries to us Dumb Bunny (TM) as cover for his scum pushes.

Would scum have stated that opinion in the main thread?

Yes. Goldie is impulsive like that. He doesn’t realize when he’s leaking intel. Especially when he’s tired.

Look, strong players who are good liars wouldn’t have done this. They’d not say it in the first place. And then if they said it, they’d not kill Damo because it’s connected. Goldie is the guy who as scum engaged with me FOR LAUGHS and gave up more intel than he needed to and got fingered. He did it again. Think about his mental state. Dog dying, overworked. Not sleeping. Just wants some escapist fun and not to think hard. So he slips. Again.

[BunnyGo]

So, I think it's worth comparing the reactions of all those involved to kgray's theory.





First we have bozo accept the possibility of the theory - very okay to go through with it provided 3 scum flips happen.

Durga deflects

Bunny tries to find fault in the logic of the proposal.

Frankly I'm not sure what to make of it. There are plausible alternative scenarios where any combination of the three could be scum. I will skip kgray's.

1) Bozo is scum and Bunny/Durga are town. As scum he would be trying to soft clear himself by getting one of the other two daykilled and disproving the theory. I don't view this as likely. Maybe I was just swayed by the volume of bozo's posting N1, but it seemed in earnest and pretty towny. If there is only one scum in the three of them, I think bozo is the least likely. His unwillingness to die is completely in character for him - he traded the cop's life for his own as VT in the last game I played with him.

2) Durga is scum. I had already mentioned that joking about being scum was odd, and this is the second time she did it. She disappeared today and seemed a bit deflated.

3) Bunny is scum. His defense relies so much on knowledge exclusive to him.The biggest thing about the info angle is that 1) It depended on flips happening 2)It depended on people going back in a VCA potentially days later and tying it together, and 3) Even then, if it was a partial signal it could be defensible.

If Flum indeed does have a shot, it should be one of these three, regardless of who is leading on the vote count. In terms of giving an open/shut resolution on the theory, bozo is the most logical target to choose. However I'm hesitant to throw my support behind it because aside from this theory he's the less likely of being scum among the three.

Oh yeah. THIS A$$hole. Don’t let him steer the conversation. He’s the scummier one here. Go iso him. Actually read. He’s scuuuuuuum. He’s deflecting because he KNOWS bozo and Durga and I are Town.

What is causing you to townread Durga so strongly as to state this as fact?

How can you be so certain that both Bozo and Durga are town?

Nirvana.

But seriously, just read their intentions. Also, there are MUCH higher priority candidates who are showing their minds as scum.

[BunnyGo]

Bunny why are you panicking so much? Town is in an amazing position. You're acting like we're in mylo or something. So what if people are pushing this theory? All it takes is one of three people flipping town to prove it false. Why are you so worried about people considering it?

Because it’s stupid. On the face of it stupid. And I worry about the brain aneurysms that everyone pushing it is having.

Imagine people seeing patterns when 3 scummy people are acting in an aligned manner

Seriously? Have you played with any of us? Bozo and I consistently hide like beasts. Durga would too. This ascribes meta analysis that none of us know how to wipe our asses. If we we’re talking about a new player who we know doesn’t understand the long game doing the signal, yes. That’s reasonable.