M59 - Duck Season? - Game Thread

[Durga]

Hey if anyone wants to give me a gun I'll shoot Flum

I'm not going anywhere. You're going to have to nightkill me to get rid of me <3

I change my mind, not you, not now <3 Stay with me

What are the chances that bozo is the traitor who signaled his team (Moscow, Bunny, Tom and Durga) with his rapid-fire D1 voting?

I'm actually going to fucking scream if Bunny flips scum. This would be close to the Vecna "bo-chaqa-ghug are the same person" moment

I was already pretty suspicious of Tom D1, something just felt off in his interactions with people, and in particular with Moscow. The fact Moscow has since flipped scum really reinforces that - He's my number one scumread now.

Pretty sure Riot is also not mafia

What are the chances that bozo is the traitor who signaled his team (Moscow, Bunny, Tom and Durga) with his rapid-fire D1 voting?

wow, I love this theory

Miniscule. But wouldn't that be incredible.

Why do you think it's miniscule htf?

What are the chances that bozo is the traitor who signaled his team (Moscow, Bunny, Tom and Durga) with his rapid-fire D1 voting?

I like this theory also. If Bunny, Tom, and Durga all flip scum, you can use a mis-kill on me.

Sounds like you know I'm not gonna flip scum so you're ok to say this - why would you even like this theory. This doesn't seem very bozo of you

What are the chances that bozo is the traitor who signaled his team (Moscow, Bunny, Tom and Durga) with his rapid-fire D1 voting?

That's a great point to discover if it's true. Maybe we should remember it as the game proceeds and we gather more info. It's a dangerous maneuver though.

people taking this seriously are suspicious i'll let you be for now though since moscow voted you before he left

[Durga]

##Vote Hellenic Riot
This is scum

How - what? This is the exact opposite of my thoughts.

Holy smokes, way to go jailor!

So that's two down on kgray's signaling theory. Maybe we should consider that seriously.

get ouT now - we are NOT doing that

lmao, awesome job jailer

I was roleblocked

Seems Kgray's theory might still be correct. 2 of the 4 votes from bozo have flipped scum. Durgas angry outburst at bozo might not have been sarcasm.

I had an angry outburst? where?

Oh wait, I called him out on distancing from MoscowFleet.


Yes, tell me more about how I'm scum with the pair of them

bahahahah tell me how this isn't town!HR pls

If you shoot me, look to lynch Durga, bunny, or Prado.

why? you scum reading me every single game is getting lazy, time to try something new please

[Durga]

Okay I'm sorry to burst everyone's bubble but bozo did not call out the entire scum team because I am not scum

[Durga]

I'm not really seeing the worcej case over food or Durga here

Can you read the interaction between worcej and I on pages 36-40 and tell me if you agree that it looks like he was doing everything he could to make my questioning of Moscow look fabricated and insincere?

It's definitely possible I'm taking it too personally, but the last time I felt this way about someone who brushed off my points and constantly misunderstood what I was saying, it was scum!Bunny trying to get me flustered and dismissed.

I want to agree with you that worcej is the worst but:
a) he actively tries to get me flustered and dismissed every game he's town
b) he constantly misinterprets and misunderstands everything
c) his reads are consistently the opposite of the truth

THAT BEING SAID, I think there are reasons to scum read him:
a) he's nicer than usual and is joking around instead of cursing me out/crusading against me

I don't mind seeing him flipped and am willing to consider it. But I won't be shocked if he's not mafia either.

[Durga]

I support the worcej wagon, but now that I’ve given him a 1 day reprieve does anyone else see how scummy goldie is? He’s playing exactly like his matrix game. He’s anchoring reasons to not be here, and then shows up as much as I do. Shoot him Flum. ##vote Gold (lets get 2 good options...worcej is also good)

I don't think he is. There haven't been any slips into the sort of 'playful' flattery/buddying mode that he was making back then, particularly with ghug that game - Despite there being plenty candidates he could be trying it with. Nor do I think he's making statements or moves without satisfying explanation.

If goldie's scum meta is being playful then I'd say he's not scum because this attitude of his does remind me of his town game from the mini mafia

[Durga]

seth had no interactions with tom or moscow. Townread tom at the top and hasn't done anything townie.

Just shoot seth.

yeah, i mean, yeah. This is possible. Seth is flying under the radar way more than the last game.

meh, if bozo did screw the scumteam by outing them like that we can make a strong statement by showing hes the lynch so they cant wriggle out of it
and just like, concede or w/e.

I feel it fits quite nicely, and if he flips traitor its a done deal for the rest of em

I still say bozo is not that incompetent.

well youre on the proposed scumteam, so you would say that.

shit, i KNOW he's not that incompetent.

Bozo would be the most surprising scumflip to me out of Bunny/Durga/Bozo.
But I also don't really want to kill Bunny or Durga yet lol.

Bunny, when can drunk bunny make an appearance?
Durga, you feel like you've given up. Shouldn't you be excited at this point? Let's win this.

I am!!!! I've just been busy. Don't worry.

Anyway, I hate to risk the voodoo that is Night Kill Analysis after the shitshow last game... But why the hell is Damo the mafia kill N1? It's categorically not a fearkill (top memes if it actually was), which means they must have thought he was a PR.


And when Damo + PR come to mind... That brings us back to his push on foodcoats. And if they thought that Damo was the PR who was misreading Foodcoats as setting up for a cc against him, that also implies the scumteam had prior knowledge that foodcoats was not the PR in the first place.

I've been thinking about the damo NK too. Tbf I thought damo was playing incredibly d1, definitely a huge improvement from what I've seen from him otherwise. But also agree that it's a ridiculous kill with vecna/kgray/flum/rdr as potential townies on the scum wagon.

I don't understand what you mean about foodcoats cc though. I was kinda hoping damo would explain that entire episode but I guess we don't get to know.

I think foody very much knows he isn't a PR but let damo continue his schtik. I think if I was pr!food and damo was doing that I'd get fucking pissed off.

##vote foodcoats

[Durga]

Bozo would be the most surprising scumflip to me out of Bunny/Durga/Bozo.
But I also don't really want to kill Bunny or Durga yet lol.

Bunny, when can drunk bunny make an appearance?
Durga, you feel like you've given up. Shouldn't you be excited at this point? Let's win this.

Oh god I look terrible. This is just embarrassing

Double entendre?

I agree. Even if durga was an autohammer she'd still be stoked we nailed two scum in one day.

actually, i care less about winning collectively and more about patting myself on the back about being smart sooooo........ no, this is def not a good look for me

[Durga]

Not sure anybody has voted seth other than me so let's try

##vote durga

I’d join you on Seth over Durga.

Why aren't you sus of me at all Bunny? Because it maybe implicates you with the bozo theory thing? Or are you trying to pocket be subtly? I have noticed you have low key defended me quite a few times and I'm really not sure why.

Heck, if I was anyone else and town in this game, I'd be hella sus of me rn

[Durga]

I like this theory also. If Bunny, Tom, and Durga all flip scum, you can use a mis-kill on me.

Agh bozo do you exist just to fuck all your teammates or what?

Actually yeah, this makes so much sense lmao. Durga is over this game for some reason. ##Vote Durga
This doesn't count as our game together. I'll play another one.

I'll let you vote for me if you'll play another one.

[Durga]

This is a fairly poor suggestion. What if I am a town PR?

Nah youre the traitor

Tom flipping scum does make me wonder more about Bunny and Durga.

BRO YOU'RE THE REASON PEOPLE EVEN THINK THIS LMAO. You cannot be saying this right now. Looool what. Did I roll something I haven't been sent? Is there a qt link I didn't get? What is actually happening

[Durga]

I was just on seth.

I think I'm happy to flip Bunny too.

I’m aware. I’m saying, I prefer gold. But see my previous case, Seth is scummy as anyone. Durga is not

Durga is not scummy? I've got a magic show tonight so lemme nail these posters up over your house here.

I honestly understand seth's POV more than bunny's here. How am I not scummy????

[Durga]

Summit*

[Durga]

What are the chances that bozo is the traitor who signaled his team (Moscow, Bunny, Tom and Durga) with his rapid-fire D1 voting?

Kgray, what do you mean by the rapid fire voting being a signal? How does that signal Traitor?

Ummm.... I need help reacting to this.

I suggest a ##VOTE FOOD

[Durga]

if he was actually town hed have a million obnoxious reasons why im an imbecilw for thinking hes scum.

Instead we get "but what if im a town pr?" "Does this make you suspicious of me?"

who is vecna talking about

[TheMadMonarch]

Just caught up. Will now begin my replies.

[bozotheclown]

if he was actually town hed have a million obnoxious reasons why im an imbecilw for thinking hes scum.

Instead we get "but what if im a town pr?" "Does this make you suspicious of me?"

who is vecna talking about

He is talking about me there.

[Durga]

Let's make this interesting.

##vote damo

Time to get some VCA for later.

Atta boy. I’ve got a meeting at 5:30. So I’m relying on you to pound that drum at eod (god help me).

What a strange post. Worcej looking a little townier to me.

Yeah good observation. Tom was generally awkward so doubt he'd react like that to worcej

if he was actually town hed have a million obnoxious reasons why im an imbecilw for thinking hes scum.

Instead we get "but what if im a town pr?" "Does this make you suspicious of me?"

If you really think there is a chance I am the traitor and voted for all of the scum D1, you should vote for BunnyGo or Durga.

you are blowing my mind here. completely. is this your attempt at miskills or do you think we're genuinely scummy for separate reasons?

So, I think it's worth comparing the reactions of all those involved to kgray's theory.

I like this theory also. If Bunny, Tom, and Durga all flip scum, you can use a mis-kill on me.

Agh bozo do you exist just to fuck all your teammates or what?

I did wonder that. But realized:

1) I’m not scum. So it would have to be a partial signal
2) if he/they flipped it would give away too much
2a) having been scum while he was traitor before, I find him very capable of hiding as traitor and not bothering with signals.

First we have bozo accept the possibility of the theory - very okay to go through with it provided 3 scum flips happen.

Durga deflects

Bunny tries to find fault in the logic of the proposal.

Frankly I'm not sure what to make of it. There are plausible alternative scenarios where any combination of the three could be scum. I will skip kgray's.

1) Bozo is scum and Bunny/Durga are town. As scum he would be trying to soft clear himself by getting one of the other two daykilled and disproving the theory. I don't view this as likely. Maybe I was just swayed by the volume of bozo's posting N1, but it seemed in earnest and pretty towny. If there is only one scum in the three of them, I think bozo is the least likely. His unwillingness to die is completely in character for him - he traded the cop's life for his own as VT in the last game I played with him.

2) Durga is scum. I had already mentioned that joking about being scum was odd, and this is the second time she did it. She disappeared today and seemed a bit deflated.

3) Bunny is scum. His defense relies so much on knowledge exclusive to him.The biggest thing about the info angle is that 1) It depended on flips happening 2)It depended on people going back in a VCA potentially days later and tying it together, and 3) Even then, if it was a partial signal it could be defensible.

If Flum indeed does have a shot, it should be one of these three, regardless of who is leading on the vote count. In terms of giving an open/shut resolution on the theory, bozo is the most logical target to choose. However I'm hesitant to throw my support behind it because aside from this theory he's the less likely of being scum among the three.

fuck i'm actually gonna sound like chaqa but i had a date and am not rude enough to play mafia on my phone all evening as much as i would generally like to do that.

maybe my page of content will make it up to you? lmao, how do you think town would react to people taking this kind of theory seriously? i kinda don't like how you didn't bother looking at this as if we were town.

my comment at bozo was obv a joke, because i know his statement is not true and i never considered it was something people would actually take seriously

[Durga]

Bunny why are you panicking so much? Town is in an amazing position. You're acting like we're in mylo or something. So what if people are pushing this theory? All it takes is one of three people flipping town to prove it false. Why are you so worried about people considering it?

Because it’s stupid. On the face of it stupid. And I worry about the brain aneurysms that everyone pushing it is having.

If I were scum AND I knew Durga was scum I’d STILL not believe it. It’s that stupid.

huh really? because i'd believe it

[TheMadMonarch]

Anyway, I hate to risk the voodoo that is Night Kill Analysis after the shitshow last game... But why the hell is Damo the mafia kill N1? It's categorically not a fearkill (top memes if it actually was), which means they must have thought he was a PR.


And when Damo + PR come to mind... That brings us back to his push on foodcoats. And if they thought that Damo was the PR who was misreading Foodcoats as setting up for a cc against him, that also implies the scumteam had prior knowledge that foodcoats was not the PR in the first place.

Can you please re-explain this second paragraph? I don't understand the message.

[TheMadMonarch]

Town:

rdr/vecna/kgray I feel most confident in.

Bozo/Bunny/Flum are lower down in confidence. Flum could very well have been looking for an exit off the moscow wagon.

HR isn't looking bad either. Ditto Damo and Prado.
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I think it's possible Durga found a convenient method to signal being a traitor with her comments on never bussing and "Sorry team". She does make statements like that as town, but it seems reasonable she'd also look for an opportunity to signal in that manner.

Still haven't seen seth do anything I'd classify as townie. Getting on the moscow wagon right at the end with a "no ties" comment as well as being happy with it seems weak. Also, that "What's going on around here?" attitude to flash self-voting seems a little fishy to me since in his first game he saw worcej throw everything into a self vote...including forcing an eventual tie due to his selfvote.

Macca is too quiet for much more than a null from me. I really expected that loose-cannon macca style to shine as town.

Putting some pressure on worcej is a good idea. Prado's done a good job tearing through his iso.

What "loose-cannon style"? I tried to be very careful when I played scum. I'm more reckless now, but what frame of reference are you using?