M59 - Duck Season? - Game Thread

[Tom Bombadil]

Looking at Moscow. My initial impression was pretty towny based on my exchanges but I haven’t looked beyond just my initial feelings in interaction

[damo666]

Would food move his vote from me if he were scum. Doubtful.

##vote Moscow

[rdrivera2005]

Damo's recklessness rings town to me still. We should not dk him.

Agree, don't remember scum Damo being so obnoxious.

Obnoxious? I'm offended.

Obnoxious isn't the word, it didn't translate well. Sorry.

Stubborn is probably better.

[Durga]

Looking at Moscow. My initial impression was pretty towny based on my exchanges but I haven’t looked beyond just my initial feelings in interaction

Yeah I'm not understanding the votes either.

[damo666]

Agree, don't remember scum Damo being so obnoxious.

Obnoxious? I'm offended.

Obnoxious isn't the word, it didn't translate well. Sorry.

Stubborn is probably better.

That I can live with. Thank you rdr.

[damo666]

@rdr maybe you meant 'obstinate'.

[BunnyGo]

Looking at Moscow. My initial impression was pretty towny based on my exchanges but I haven’t looked beyond just my initial feelings in interaction

Yeah I'm not understanding the votes either.

I agree. Moscow seems townish to me. I haven’t understood the case either. Any Moscow voter care to comment?

[yavuzovic]

I'm giving a pause on catching up - will be back before tonight's deadline.

[Tom Bombadil]

I guess I do see what kgray is getting at though. MF says bozo seems obvious scum and then doesn’t really do anything after that. And his last post is just saying the wanting bozos head was a joke.

I believe his second aspect that it seems like a joke in hindsight, but the bozo seeming like obvious scum does not come across as a joke so I’d like some clarification

[kgray]

> Hthe has an objection about it and votes BunnyGo for this claim. ( Actually towny for Bunny)

Why do you think Bunny's actions were towny?

> Bozo follows him but doesn't seem serious and it's too early to suggest a lynch. Right after that he places a bunch of votes which is weird.

Bozo voted for Tom before damo did, and the only votes he placed after his first vote for Tom was one for MoscowFleet and then another moving back to Tom (which was still before damo's vote for Tom).

1) Bunny's actions weren't towny here. It was hthe attacking him for pointing out a real point. If hthe rolls scum, I can say that bunny is probably town.

2) You are wrong for two points: First, I wasn't comparing bozo and damo, it was bozo and hthe voting for BunnyGo. After that he moved his vote 4 times in the following order: -> Durga -> Tom -> Moscow -> Tom (and Flash now but that's after I wrote this first message.)

Hmm. I'm not sure why I thought you were talking about bozo and damo voting for Tom. Thanks for clarifying.

[Hellenic Riot]

Macca's justification of his townread on me is giving me massive flashbacks to last game, where he pretty much entirely copied other people's reasons for scumreading me, except this time it's a townread. I got horrible vibes out of that post.

I was getting the exact same vibes from Damo this game as I got last time, when I didn't remotely understand how he ended up being killed D1, and my mind hasn't changed since his brainbomb play, so I'm pretty sure Damo is town and wholly oppose rinse & repeating last game's wagon there.

Goldie going so in-depth to justify an apparent weak townread on me is pretty interesting - it could be an attempt to pocket me, I recall him using a lot of early game flattery on ghug in the recent game where we were scum together - But he's following it up with a lot of solid content and not retreating and disappearing, so I'm going to park a townread there, too.

I'm not getting the massive townvibes off of Tom this game at all, which I kinda expected to get. Maybe it was all confirmation bias when I was scum in the Matrix game and thought Tom was blatant town, but he just ain't reminding me of that at all right now.

No real thoughts on the Moscow wagon atm

[seth24c]

@Vecna there's not gonna be a Flum wagon

Damo how are you so confident in all of your posts. I get the feeling you know everything already.

[damo666]

@Vecna there's not gonna be a Flum wagon

Damo how are you so confident in all of your posts. I get the feeling you know everything already.

If I am confident in my opinions I am not afraid to make them.

What I was clearly saying in the quote above was that a Flum wagon was most unlikely imo (Flum is reasonably widely townread) and therefore suggesting to Vecna he was wasting his vote. Indeed Vecna has now moved.

[Hellenic Riot]

##vote foodcoats

I'm yet to see a satisfying explanation for why kgray was the only person who deserved calling out for querying his lurking

[foodcoats]

My townreads include.

Tom - has had a couple interactions where pressure was put on him and he has stuck to his guns. I have been watching him pretty closely since the Taz opening post and he seems town to me. His interaction with hthefourth is something to keep an eye on if either flips.

Summit - willing to jump in and looks comfortable. I disagree with some of his reads but I get the feeling he is coming from a town point of view.

Bunny - he has been a conversation driver and has intentionally drawn a lot of attention, if he is scum I would be surprised.

Worcej - this one is interesting because his meta seems so off from the worcej in m58. It kind of throws me that his style seems different but his posts and methods to keep the conversation have seemed very town to me.

Hello, seth. We have not played together before unless you are a character from Command and Conquer.

Thank you for your town reads. Who are your top scum reads?

Hi food, I am not familiar with command and conquer so this must be our first time playing together. I am still getting caught up in the thread but I just can't shake my feeling about bozo. I don't know what to make of the interactions between you and damo. Do you know what he is referencing about your crumb?

What bothers you about bozo? I liked his entrance, though I feel he's being dangerously quiet now.

I don't want to dive into damo's claims to seeing a crumb. I consider it to be PR-fishing. More obliquely, it could be an attempt to narrow down a process of elimination for good nightkill targets for the scumteam. The more information the scumteam gets about who may or may not have a role versus who may be vanilla, the better choices they can make at night to attempt to kill a PR. It's very anti-town behaviour, even if damo is not scum. Talking about it outside of this abstract way benefits scum.

[bo_sox48]

VOTE COUNT 1.8

MoscowFleet (4) - rdrivera2005, Vecna, Fluminator, damo666
damo666 (3) - Tom Bombadil, MoscowFleet, Macca573
foodcoats (3) - kgray, summit_fever, Hellenic Riot
bozotheclown (2) - yavuzovic, worcej
summit_fever (1) - flash2015
BunnyGo (1) - hthefourth
yavuzovic (1) - TrPrado
flash2015 (1) - bozotheclown
Macca573 (1) - Durga
worcej (1) - BunnyGo
TrPrado (1) - goldfinger0303
Durga (1) - foodcoats

MOSCOWFLEET is set to be canceled.

There are 5 hours and 3 minutes left.

seth24c still needs to vote.

[foodcoats]

##vote foodcoats

I'm yet to see a satisfying explanation for why kgray was the only person who deserved calling out for querying his lurking

Because kgray specifically said (something like) "Lurking is unlike [foodcoats]."

I am 3-0 as scum here and intend to keep my winstreak when I roll it next. Before the game began I was literally thinking "Fuck I hope I don't roll scum so I can just lurk for a bit."

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[yavuzovic]

I will move my joke vote off of Tom and place a slightly more serious vote on ##vote summit. What struck you as scummy from Vecna? Why do you have like 6 separate joke-posts?

Also Bunny, if you could chill just a bit and not clog up the thread so much, that would be great. I love your activity, but let's try to keep it mafia-related please. If I have to read any more about which cartoon character you are, I'm going to go a bit... loony.

This post does read very much like something scum MF would post.

-Easy attack on someone voting/ scumreading a person often perceived as obvtown by scum
-Overly explanatory over how jokey or serious his votes are
-repeat of the sentiment of bunny talking a bunch

I love it when Vecna is playing

[seth24c]

@Vecna there's not gonna be a Flum wagon

Damo how are you so confident in all of your posts. I get the feeling you know everything already.

If I am confident in my opinions I am not afraid to make them.

What I was clearly saying in the quote above was that a Flum wagon was most unlikely imo (Flum is reasonably widely townread) and therefore suggesting to Vecna he was wasting his vote. Indeed Vecna has now moved.

I understood what you were saying. I was referencing your whole persona this game. I can't get a consistent feeling about you. The crumb conversation with food especially seems suspicious. That felt like a move to shake up the top wagons and it looks like it has succeeded somewhat. Do you have any further comment about that?

[Hellenic Riot]

##vote foodcoats

I'm yet to see a satisfying explanation for why kgray was the only person who deserved calling out for querying his lurking

Because kgray specifically said (something like) "Lurking is unlike [foodcoats]."

I am 3-0 as scum here and intend to keep my winstreak when I roll it next. Before the game began I was literally thinking "Fuck I hope I don't roll scum so I can just lurk for a bit."

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Yes, but other people reinforced that and you didn't call them out on it. It was the topic of conversation on the very page you made your big post on. And you've never gone back to it.