M1015 - Super Mafioso Bros

[kgray]

So, patterns that continued through the whole game:

Summit continued to sit on vanity wagons for the most of the game, aside from when he caused the ties at the dying seconds on D2, although his vanity wagon on Hamilton Brian transformed into the main counterwagon D1

Of potential partners for summit: He could certainly have been trying to protect Jamie D1, and both kgray and summit could arguably have been making sure Jamie wasn't the counterwagon when I stopped being the deadcert kill D2. On the flip side, Jamie switching to summit after tunnelling me all game was certainly not Jamie making any attempt to protect summit D2... Though it was just plain weird, and could be a late bus attempt - Perhaps because everyone on Summit at that point (Bo_sox, Vecna, and Hamilton Brian) were town, and scum wanted to make sure at least one scum was bussing if he died?

The same could be said about kgray voting Jamie D1 when the momentum was on him (it took it to 4-4) before dropping off onto HB the second that became viable instead. Indeed, looking at VCA alone, a Summit/Jamie/Kgray team is not out of the realms of possibility.


Although I keep going back to rdrivera's post about how Summit & Bo will decided what happens D1 because they were vanity wagons, and his ignoring of Macca in that statement, because it really suggests rdrivera knew that Macca wasn't going to change vote, and it's bothering me a lot.

Macca already told he lives in Australia and he won't be around at EOD....

He said that D2, though...

[kgray]

Scum are happy to let today peter out with as little activity as possible AND TOWN IS LETTING THEM.

What you suggest. I was digging D1 and D2 but can't find anything that wasn't yet addressed.

Could you list all the remaining players, from your point of view, from MOST SCUM to MOST TOWN and lets discuss if we agree with your reads?

MOST SCUM - summit > HR > rdr > Jamie > bo > macca - MOST TOWN

[kgray]

I could be convinced to go for HR today. I should stop townreading people.

Who do you townread?

[Jamiet99uk]

Let's all do this please (excluding ourselves of course):

KGRAY says:
MOST SCUM - Summit > HR > Rdr > Jamie > Bo > Macca - MOST TOWN

JAMIET says:
MOST SCUM - Summit > HR > Rdr > Macca > Kgray > Bo - MOST TOWN

[Foxcastle]

VOTE COUNT

summit_fever (3): Jamiet99uk, kgray, Hellenic Riot
Hellenic Riot (2): Macca573, rdrivera2005

Summit_fever is slated to be deleted.

Bo_sox and summit_fever have not voted (not that they need to).

Summit_fever has not met the 3-post minimum.

Day 4 ends in less than 7 hours.

[Jamiet99uk]

Lol why is there a posting minimum but you don't have to vote?

[summit_fever]

I have no words that HB was town despite digesting it for 4 hours now.

Summit's refusal to vote HB the last two days really stinks now

It stinks that I don't vote my townreads?

[rdrivera2005]

MOST SCUM - HR >Summit > Kgray > Macca > Bo > Jamiet - MOST TOWN

Just to be clear. I am torn between HR and Summit. And the last three are more or less on the same level to me, if more then one of them is scum we are doomed anyway.

[rdrivera2005]

What you suggest. I was digging D1 and D2 but can't find anything that wasn't yet addressed.

Could you list all the remaining players, from your point of view, from MOST SCUM to MOST TOWN and lets discuss if we agree with your reads?

MOST SCUM - summit > HR > rdr > Jamie > bo > macca - MOST TOWN

Could you explain why Summit is more scummy to you then HR?

[summit_fever]

If I die town loses the game so if it's between me and Hellenic

##vote hellenic

[Jamiet99uk]

If I die town loses the game so if it's between me and Hellenic

##vote hellenic

Why haven't you made any effort to help town win?

[Jamiet99uk]

The vote is tied. Even if Bo-Sox shows up and votes, scum can control EoD if it's set up like this.

[Hellenic Riot]

If Hamilton Brian was such a townread, why did you start the wagon on him D1 summit?

[rdrivera2005]

The vote is tied. Even if Bo-Sox shows up and votes, scum can control EoD if it's set up like this.

Like I said, we should consolidate closer to EOD. I expect scum to be in different wagons now (2/1 if Bo is town), unless both are town or both are scum.

[summit_fever]

If I die town loses the game so if it's between me and Hellenic

##vote hellenic

Why haven't you made any effort to help town win?

What can I say I've been busy? People don't seem to care what I think. If it weren't kylo I'd say kill me and clarify the situation, but we can't.

[summit_fever]

If Hamilton Brian was such a townread, why did you start the wagon on him D1 summit?

You and others said you'd vote for him day 1, and I null read him at the time and wanted to shake up the wagons.

[kgray]

Could you list all the remaining players, from your point of view, from MOST SCUM to MOST TOWN and lets discuss if we agree with your reads?

MOST SCUM - summit > HR > rdr > Jamie > bo > macca - MOST TOWN

Could you explain why Summit is more scummy to you then HR?

I'm pretty convinced they're both scum (the only other likely option I can see is you and Jamie on a team) and choosing one over the other is like splitting hairs.

In previous games where I've played with town!summit, he's made some observant points, and he hasn't done that here. He seems afraid to contribute, especially now at this stage in the game. I think his townread of Hamilton seemed forced and like he already knew Hamilton was town, and I also don't like how much he's been focused on Macca. I think summit is likely scum and he's been going after Macca as an easy target.

HR has spent most of the game hyper focused on Hamilton and, as I mentioned in my longer post earlier this phase, some of his arguments for scum!Hamilton seem like he was trying to push a narrative to get a miskill. But at times he does feel genuine so he's not quite as high on my scumlist as summit.

Why do you think HR is more likely scum than summit?

[kgray]

If Hamilton Brian was such a townread, why did you start the wagon on him D1 summit?

Summit said Hamilton's D2 seemed towny, not his D1. He never said anything about Hamilton D1 before voting him, while he did say he townread Jamie and damo.

Why do I feel like you're twisting things again here?

[Jamiet99uk]

Let's all do this please (excluding ourselves of course):

KGRAY says:
MOST SCUM - Summit > HR > Rdr > Jamie > Bo > Macca - MOST TOWN

JAMIET says:
MOST SCUM - Summit > HR > Rdr > Macca > Kgray > Bo - MOST TOWN

Everyone please do this.

[rdrivera2005]

MOST SCUM - summit > HR > rdr > Jamie > bo > macca - MOST TOWN

Could you explain why Summit is more scummy to you then HR?

I'm pretty convinced they're both scum (the only other likely option I can see is you and Jamie on a team) and choosing one over the other is like splitting hairs.

In previous games where I've played with town!summit, he's made some observant points, and he hasn't done that here. He seems afraid to contribute, especially now at this stage in the game. I think his townread of Hamilton seemed forced and like he already knew Hamilton was town, and I also don't like how much he's been focused on Macca. I think summit is likely scum and he's been going after Macca as an easy target.

HR has spent most of the game hyper focused on Hamilton and, as I mentioned in my longer post earlier this phase, some of his arguments for scum!Hamilton seem like he was trying to push a narrative to get a miskill. But at times he does feel genuine so he's not quite as high on my scumlist as summit.

Why do you think HR is more likely scum than summit?

I have the same feelings as you about Summit. He was obviously town in many games and this game he is just lacking.

HR on the other side seems just likely his scum game on Matrix. Pushing town kills and tryng to look scum hunting but without teeth. Compare with last game were he was town and NKed D1. That insistence on scum NKing Damo is also completely out of character, HR is a smart player.