M1015 - Super Mafioso Bros

[bo_sox48]

I could be convinced to go for HR today. I should stop townreading people.

[Hellenic Riot]

I have no words that HB was town despite digesting it for 4 hours now.

Summit's refusal to vote HB the last two days really stinks now

[Hellenic Riot]

I'm ready to buy that Bozo was targeted because of his thoughts given he was pretty much the only person making analyses based on HB being town

[TheMadMonarch]

Where do your reads stand now Bo_?

[TheMadMonarch]

Bozo was scumreading summit firstly and foremost, so bozo dying could point to summit. Jamie immediately voted to hammer summit when another miss ends the game, which is quite brazen and frankly stupid in KYLO. I think Jamie wanted to use bozo's read and flip to draw suspicion onto summit.

What exactly is a KYLO?

I assume you don't mean Ren.

[TheMadMonarch]

My current ranking of how towny people are:

Bo_ is now at the top of my town list. I trust him, and I will likely copy what he does. He's said things I already believed, and he shows good reason for the claims he makes.

In a close second is kgray. She's doing similar things to Bo_, but there's been less of the detailed analysis from her. At least, that which I could understand.

Now in the null-ish range, rdr exists. I don't have much on them. They haven't done much to push me either way.

Summit is also in the null-ish range. They don't seem to have done anything that screams scum, and I'm a little confused as to why everyone is against them. However, I understand that my knowledge and applicable reason skills pale in comparison to many other players, so summit sits just above the line.

In the "not great" territory, we have Jamie and HR. My position on this has changed in the last 6 hours and now HR is above Jamie. HR has done some weird things and I haven't trusted them for a while.

And in last place we have now Jamie, who seems to really hate summit (again, why?). He's dropped (then later rescinded) an END vote when we lose if another town goes home (I think that's right? We gotta hit one today?). Bo_ has talked about him being suss and I agree.

[summit_fever]

I have no words that HB was town despite digesting it for 4 hours now.

Summit's refusal to vote HB the last two days really stinks now

The 2nd day didn't even matter. I don't understand why you felt so strongly about Hamilton but I'll have to leave my reading till the morning.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bozo was scumreading summit firstly and foremost, so bozo dying could point to summit. Jamie immediately voted to hammer summit when another miss ends the game, which is quite brazen and frankly stupid in KYLO. I think Jamie wanted to use bozo's read and flip to draw suspicion onto summit.

What exactly is a KYLO?

I assume you don't mean Ren.

We used to call it "LyLo" but we don't use the L-word anymore.

It means that we must hang the correct target today, or lose.

I will vote for either Summit or Hellenic Riot today. They appear most likely to be scum from my current perspective.

[TheMadMonarch]

Bozo was scumreading summit firstly and foremost, so bozo dying could point to summit. Jamie immediately voted to hammer summit when another miss ends the game, which is quite brazen and frankly stupid in KYLO. I think Jamie wanted to use bozo's read and flip to draw suspicion onto summit.

What exactly is a KYLO?

I assume you don't mean Ren.

We used to call it "LyLo" but we don't use the L-word anymore.

It means that we must hang the correct target today, or lose.

I will vote for either Summit or Hellenic Riot today. They appear most likely to be scum from my current perspective.

Well, best of luck to us then.

[Jamiet99uk]

A note to Hamilton Brian:

Unexplained inconsistencies will get you scumread, sorry. If you're wondering what went wrong for you, look back at Hellenic Riot's posts in which he criticises you for not voting him. Whether HR is town or scum, you will face that kind of reaction if you declare someone a scumread but later look super reluctant to vote for them. That's what happened to you here.

[Jamiet99uk]

I really don't know what else to say here.

Summit_Fever has come under suspicion many times yet has so far eluded justice. I cannot see any good reason to townread him. I feel he must be the decision today.

Out of respect to Bozo I will go back and examine Bozo's theories on who could be partnered with Summit...

[Jamiet99uk]

Feeling pretty good about damo and jamie. macca not so much.

##vote macca

This post probably means Jamie is town if summit is mafia. That would mean kgray/summit/rdrivera is the most likely scum team if kgray changed her mind about voting for summit D2 because they are both mafia.

Here was Bozo's theory on the most likely scumteam including summit, if I am town, which I know I am.

Summit / Kgray / Rdrivera is the proposed scumteam according to the late Bozo.

@Hellenic Riot, Bo_Sox: What do you think about that as a possible scum team?

[Jamiet99uk]

It is a nice sunny evening and I feel sluggish so I am going out for a walk.

Do what you want, with love in your hearts.

[Jamiet99uk]

More than five hours have passed, and nobody has posted. Huh.

[Durga]

Just less than 24 hrs in this phase

[Foxcastle]

VOTE COUNT

summit_fever (2): Jamiet99uk, kgray

Summit_fever is set to be depixelated.

Bo_sox48, Hellenic Riot, Macca573, rdrivera2005, and summit_fever have not cast a vote (not that they need to).

Summit_fever, rdrivera2005, kgray, and Hellenic Riot have not met the 3-post minimum.

Less than 24 hours remain in Day 4.

[kgray]

Here are some thoughts I had on re-read:

(1) HR starts D1 with sensible questioning and pointing out flawed logic, but isn’t really stirring anything up. He interacts mostly with Jamie about his end plan, then starts to scumread Jamie for using post count as a way to replicate his town game. These things seem like safe interactions between scum partners, but I do read both of their EODs as genuine, which is a point towards them not being scum partners. I think the most suspicious thing about HR's D1 was his defense of summit.

(2) Rivera never really explained why he thought I was picking on Vecna and Jamie wasn’t when we both had the same question about Vecna’s bozo read. He said he missed it because of bo’s spamming, but bo spammed the thread *after* Jamie questioned Vecna’s read. Rivera states Jamie as his weakest scumread D1, which seems like a reasonable distancing tactic, and then was the first person to vote Jamie except for the shitposting votes. Damo, who rdr listed as a stronger scumread than Jamie, was a wagon at this point. Rivera was then the first person to leave the Jamie wagon at EOD. Seems very possible rdr was busing Jamie and then trying to save him.

(3a) Beginning of D2, HR immediately starts pressuring Hamilton for his D1 votes. I ended up completely scumreading Hamilton too, but I still don’t get HR’s insistence that Hamilton’s D1 votes were scummy before Hamilton explained them in such an odd way. HR implies that Hamilton was flip-flopping back and forth like crazy, but it was only twice. I'm very suspicious that HR knew Hamilton wouldn't do a good job defending himself and saw Hamilton as an easy target.

(3b) HR also misrepresented what I said about Hamilton’s votes in both of his responses to me, the first time saying I claimed his vote changes were just due to self-preservation (I did not say that) and the second time implying that I claimed his first vote for damo was to avoid a tie, when I made it pretty clear that I was referring to his move *from* damo *to* Jamie. So I think he was trying to force a narrative.

(4) I still think it's so weird that HR, who seems mostly logical and matter-of-fact, thought it was possible that scum would end D1 with a kill order on damo (bo also defended this position quite strongly, which also weird). Vecna also made a good point about HR suddenly ignoring him after EOD, and HR’s continued scumreading of Vecna after Vecna’s claim seems like a great way for scum!HR to “prove” he didn’t have too much information.

(5) Jamie really looked like he was looking for a way off of HR's D2 wagon. He “assured” me that he was more than happy staying on HR, but in the end voted for summit instead. Also, early in D3 Jamie says everyone should be voting between Hamilton and Summit - why not include HR, who he was convinced is scum? Could point to Jamie/HR scumteam, or maybe he was just trying to limit options to force a miskill and thought Hamilton or summit would have more traction than HR.

(6) Summit hasn't done anything at all that makes me think he's town - but I also don't have any strong townreads, which concerns me.

TLDR: I've seen interactions between both rdr/Jamie and Jamie/HR that make me think they're scum partners, and I'm really seeing a strong case for scum!HR independently of his interactions with anyone still alive. My biggest problem with an rdr/Jamie/HR team is that it doesn't include summit.

[TheMadMonarch]

Nice work kgray.

Just to be safe, I'm going to put a vote in now. This is subject to change.

##VOTE HR

While I would have preferred Jamie, I don't think that can get as much traction.

[rdrivera2005]

I will ##vote HR.

It's more a gut feeling, but last time I had this feeling I was right.

Scum only need one town to vote wrong to win, so I suggest we consolidate at least 10 minutes before EOD to avoid giving scum a chance to a last minute swap to win. Also, it will be important to have all townies around at EOD so it will be riskier to scum to do a last minute push.

[Jamiet99uk]

I will ##vote HR.

It's more a gut feeling, but last time I had this feeling I was right.

Scum only need one town to vote wrong to win, so I suggest we consolidate at least 10 minutes before EOD to avoid giving scum a chance to a last minute swap to win. Also, it will be important to have all townies around at EOD so it will be riskier to scum to do a last minute push.

Could you answer to point (2) in Kgray's big post just there?