M1015 - Super Mafioso Bros

[Jamiet99uk]

Everyone except bo_sox and kgray voted for HR at some point D2. If a town player was leading the votes 5-0 early, I would expect at least 1 of the 3 scum to stay off the wagon. I was asking HR if he thought that also, or if he thought all 3 scum could have voted for him D2. bo_sox immediately jumped in and called the question "terrible", and then Jamie agreed with bo_sox.

You did not phrase your question to HR anything like as clearly as you are now attempting to suggest.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hamilton voting for summit when he did D2 looks like he was trying to save HR, yet HR took it as HB trying to set up town vs. town for the kill, although he did not explain the implied town read of summit. The more I look at it, I think HR bussing HB is a real possibility. A HR/HB/Jamie scum team would explain some of the odd voting and interactions between them.

Please detail my "odd interactions" with Hamilton Brian?

[kgray]

Hamilton voting for summit when he did D2 looks like he was trying to save HR, yet HR took it as HB trying to set up town vs. town for the kill, although he did not explain the implied town read of summit. The more I look at it, I think HR bussing HB is a real possibility. A HR/HB/Jamie scum team would explain some of the odd voting and interactions between them.

You think HR moving from Jamie to Hamilton D1 was him moving from one bus to the other? If this is the case, he'd just have to hope that not enough people followed him and damo was still the final kill. That'd be an incredibly bold play.

[bozotheclown]

I agree with Bo_Sox here.

Bozo seems awfully disengaged from the game.

Why is that, Bozo?

If you agreed with bo_sox that the answer to my question was obvious, can you tell me what the answer was at the time? Why do you think bo_sox thought it was necessary to call a question I asked HR "terrible"?

It was really clear that Hellenic Riot had Hamilton Brian as his top D2 scumread. Hamilton Brian had voted HR really briefly (literally for 60 seconds according to the bot), but then plonked on me. Hamilton had declared he thought HR and myself were scum together. Having persisted in this view, HB then moved his vote to summit and left it there.

Hellenic Riot was calling out Brian for this, very visibly, and continuing to call him scum.

You then wandered in at the start of the current phase, and asked HR if he thought all 3 scum had been on his wagon during D2.

Obviously the answer was "no" because HR was shouting at HB, his top scumread, for *not* voting him (unless you count the 60 second vote early in D2).

Your question made it look as if you were not following the game, Bozo.

I did count HB's 1 minute vote.

[bozotheclown]

Hamilton voting for summit when he did D2 looks like he was trying to save HR, yet HR took it as HB trying to set up town vs. town for the kill, although he did not explain the implied town read of summit. The more I look at it, I think HR bussing HB is a real possibility. A HR/HB/Jamie scum team would explain some of the odd voting and interactions between them.

You think HR moving from Jamie to Hamilton D1 was him moving from one bus to the other? If this is the case, he'd just have to hope that not enough people followed him and damo was still the final kill. That'd be an incredibly bold play.

i think it is possible. If so, he was probably OK with HB getting killed and got lucky damo was killed.

[Jamiet99uk]

Obviously the answer was "no" because HR was shouting at HB, his top scumread, for *not* voting him (unless you count the 60 second vote early in D2).

Your question made it look as if you were not following the game, Bozo.

I did count HB's 1 minute vote.

When you did that, did you realise the vote had been in place for only a minute or so?

When you did that, were you aware of Hellenic Riot reacting to Hamilton Brian not voting him later on?

When you did that, did you assume HR would understand the exact nuances of your question, even though you had not stated them clearly?

[bozotheclown]

If HB's vote movement D1 between Jamie and damo and his vote for summit D2 were scum motivated, I do not see what he was trying to accomplish. It seems HB may just be an easy target for the mafia.

Do you think he was just confused, then? I was considering this on D1, but I don't see that on D2.

It is possible his D1 voting was scum motivated if Jamie is his partner. Maybe he voted for damo to try to protect Jamie, but he was told in mafia chat not to look too obvious in protecting Jamie. It could also explain why HR would switch from bussing Jamie to bussing HB.

[Hellenic Riot]

Bozo, your theory about all 3 scum not deciding to vote me might make some sense if it was simultaneously... Which is just yet another black mark against HB's continual pointed refusal to vote me despite me being his top scumread for the entire day.

I don't see any reason why there would be a scum member who avoided voting me no matter what the other votes were like, so I do not take an automatic scumread on Bo/Kgray as being remotely logical though.

[bo_sox48]

Everyone except bo_sox and kgray voted for HR at some point D2. If a town player was leading the votes 5-0 early, I would expect at least 1 of the 3 scum to stay off the wagon. I was asking HR if he thought that also, or if he thought all 3 scum could have voted for him D2. bo_sox immediately jumped in and called the question "terrible", and then Jamie agreed with bo_sox.

As far as I can tell, bo_sox ignored my follow up to his response:

If you took half a second to actually look at D2, and then took another half a second to look at who HR is voting for/most heavily scumreads, you would know the answer to your own terrible question, bozo.

So what is the answer then?

How dense do you have to be to be told by three different people that a question you asked is unconscionably idiotic and actually continue to ask the same question as if you're the smart one in the room?

[Hellenic Riot]

The idea that both myself & HB have engaged in double-bussing for the whole game and Jamie as our partner has been on the verge of it himself is hilarious and I really wish it were true, because that's some top tier troll strats

[bozotheclown]

Obviously the answer was "no" because HR was shouting at HB, his top scumread, for *not* voting him (unless you count the 60 second vote early in D2).

Your question made it look as if you were not following the game, Bozo.

I did count HB's 1 minute vote.

When you did that, did you realise the vote had been in place for only a minute or so?

When you did that, were you aware of Hellenic Riot reacting to Hamilton Brian not voting him later on?

When you did that, did you assume HR would understand the exact nuances of your question, even though you had not stated them clearly?

HR figured out the point of my question was to find out if he scum read kgray or bo_sox.

[bozotheclown]

Everyone except bo_sox and kgray voted for HR at some point D2. If a town player was leading the votes 5-0 early, I would expect at least 1 of the 3 scum to stay off the wagon. I was asking HR if he thought that also, or if he thought all 3 scum could have voted for him D2. bo_sox immediately jumped in and called the question "terrible", and then Jamie agreed with bo_sox.

As far as I can tell, bo_sox ignored my follow up to his response:

So what is the answer then?

How dense do you have to be to be told by three different people that a question you asked is unconscionably idiotic and actually continue to ask the same question as if you're the smart one in the room?

What was the obvious answer then?

[bo_sox48]

Which people are you suspicious off?

Im one of em. Do you think Kgray is looking shady here? Summit?

Are kgray and summit trying to save HR?

I'm really just suspecting that if HR were scum, he wouldn't be in the lead right now, or at least there would be resistance. It feels like a town wagon, even if perhaps it's town driven. There's just no fight. It is odd to see resistance popping up late.

If HR is scum, how would HR and his 2 scum partners have prevented HR from being in the lead at that point? Why was it odd to see late resistance, when you were such a big part of that late resistance?

I was part of that late resistance because it made little sense that scum would be piled at the beginning of the day and face no counter of any kind for nearly 48 hours. As a result, I strongly townread HR, and still do.

If HR were scum, his two partners have daychat and could have perhaps raised a case against someone else, or at any point in time decided to say exactly what I'm saying and moved off of him if they were trying to bus early on.

[bo_sox48]

Hamilton did say he scumread Summit, though.

He was scumreading about 6 people.

Well, sort of. He said he thought it's you, HR and someone of macca/summit/rivera. He never gave a reason for a summit scumread and hardly mentions him otherwise. So to end on summit when HR was a close option just doesn't make sense.

Why do I feel like you're bussing?

[Hellenic Riot]

Alright Bozo, riddle me this:

You're spending the whole day trying to find the *scum-motivation* for HB's actions. This is putting the horse before the cart. Try it the other way around - What are the *town-motivations*?

HB spent the entirety of D2 saying I was scum with Jamie - and pushing me much harder than Jamie. He however voted Jamie while doing this - apparently to keep us both as options. I pointed out at the time (repeatedly, but I'm sure you failed to notice) how this was just a blatant move to keep Jamie & I at each other's throats by solidifying the options as me vs him, but sure, there can be town motivations for doing that.

However, the only time HB mentioned Summit as scum was in a pool of people for where the other one 'probably was'. HB comes in toward the EoD. He sees that Jamie has not taken off as a wagon, but I am the lead wagon and the only other wagon with more than one vote is summit. WHERE IS HIS TOWN MOTIVATION FOR VOTING SUMMIT? He thinks I am scum. He has stated so for the entire day. He sees his top scumread as the lead wagon. *Why does he not vote it?*. What possible logic is there to conclude that he should not vote his top scumread but instead he should vote someone he's barely mentioned?

There is none. He was not using his vote to find the scum. And therefore, I do not give a flying fuck if you think I've spent the entire game bussing him, because HB is scum no matter what, and he dies today. The End.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, your theory about all 3 scum not deciding to vote me might make some sense if it was simultaneously... Which is just yet another black mark against HB's continual pointed refusal to vote me despite me being his top scumread for the entire day.

I don't see any reason why there would be a scum member who avoided voting me no matter what the other votes were like, so I do not take an automatic scumread on Bo/Kgray as being remotely logical though.

So you do not think any of the scum avoided voting for you knowing you would flip town, other than HB after he had already voted for you?

[bo_sox48]

Summit, can you answer my question as opposed to quoting something and leaving?

[Hellenic Riot]

Bozo, your theory about all 3 scum not deciding to vote me might make some sense if it was simultaneously... Which is just yet another black mark against HB's continual pointed refusal to vote me despite me being his top scumread for the entire day.

I don't see any reason why there would be a scum member who avoided voting me no matter what the other votes were like, so I do not take an automatic scumread on Bo/Kgray as being remotely logical though.

So you do not think any of the scum avoided voting for you knowing you would flip town, other than HB after he had already voted for you?

I absolutely believe that 2 scum voting me at any given point is plausible and therefore that if HB wasn't voting me the other two would have no problem doing it, yes. It's not like they would have been the majority of the wagon - I had five votes on me for the majority of D2.

[bozotheclown]

Hamilton voting for summit when he did D2 looks like he was trying to save HR, yet HR took it as HB trying to set up town vs. town for the kill, although he did not explain the implied town read of summit. The more I look at it, I think HR bussing HB is a real possibility. A HR/HB/Jamie scum team would explain some of the odd voting and interactions between them.

Please detail my "odd interactions" with Hamilton Brian?

I think what's worse is that I am scum-reading more than I am town-reading.

Who are your strongest reads?

Vecna for town
Jamie, HR as scum

It’s not much

Ugh, just now realizing through the vote log of how much damage I did by switching my vote from Jamie to Damo. Wouldn't have made a great deal of difference since Damo was clearly going to be the unlucky one as no count increased sufficiently.

Could you explain your thought process during your vote moves at EoD?

I thought my erratic pattern might have forced scum to move to ensure a D1 kill as opposed to ending in a tie. As I reflect on it, I think a tie would have been a better outcome. I think...

[Jamiet99uk]

If HB's vote movement D1 between Jamie and damo and his vote for summit D2 were scum motivated, I do not see what he was trying to accomplish. It seems HB may just be an easy target for the mafia.

Do you think he was just confused, then? I was considering this on D1, but I don't see that on D2.

It is possible his D1 voting was scum motivated if Jamie is his partner. Maybe he voted for damo to try to protect Jamie, but he was told in mafia chat not to look too obvious in protecting Jamie. It could also explain why HR would switch from bussing Jamie to bussing HB.

Unfortunately for this theory, I'm town.