M1015 - Super Mafioso Bros

[bozotheclown]

I am currently voting for HR.

Yes, but it seems to me like you're trying to set up a switch.

I am allowed to have more than one strong scumread.

But I am also happy staying on HR, I assure you.

Why didn't you switch back to HR when you could have broken the three way tie?

[bozotheclown]

Now that our guests are gone, let me try to explain.

HR was lead wagon. My vote on Jamie was not going to garner anything with no one else moving. I felt less certain about Summit being town than Jamie. My vote made it 4HR/3Sum with some others behind.

Then I tended to my guests. Poured 3 of my beers for them. My time with the game was done until I could check back in.

As far as I was concerned, HR was going to go. I would have been more than happy with that.

Kgray, I think is in the clear. made a sensible move from Bozo to HB. Not a questionable move if the wagon was going to build on me.

I'm not of the mind right now but I think town needs to be looking at "who tied" and "who moved off the tie."

If I am going to go down, then it is imperative that we use the time remaining to build a case determining who the worse of the worse is. If I'm hung, that's going to be town down by 3 plus 1 due to Day3 mafia kill.

Sure, I've played a shit town game, but those of you looking solely at me are getting played by mafia. Let's figure out who they are, please.

Why didn't you want to vote for HR if you were scum reading him?

[TheMadMonarch]

Gotta go to work right now. I will post some reads when I get back later tonight.

[bo_sox48]

Summit said he was town reading HB, why should he let you dictate his vote?

Before you said you were unselfishly letting Vecna decide the kill, now you are saying you were manipulating Vecna into voting for your preferred kill. Are both of these things possible?

He shouldn't. That's why he should participate in the EOD instead of leaving that responsibility to everyone else, and then mucking it up when he decides to surprise us all by giving a fuck.

Yes, I am both of those things. Thanks for asking.

[Hellenic Riot]

Because he tied the vote. After Vecna (our only townclear) voted vor HB I can't see a reason a townie would change his vote and risk a tie. And summit wasn't voting to save himself, he saved HB.

Do you think HB could have been bussing summit, yet summit moved at EOD to protect HB?

I think it's possible. But I also totally can see an HR and Bo team here. I need to sleep, I am just entering paranoia mode.

Haven't you already seen me as a team with Summit, Macca, and HB at various points this game? Is there anyone I'm *not* on a team with?

[bozotheclown]

##vote hamilton

What was the reason for switching your vote from Macca to HB D1?

[bozotheclown]

Bozo is also probably scum. Hasnt done anything to solve at all

Yeah I'm getting really suspicious of this slot too. I don't remember bozo ever being this uninterested or unhelpful.

I am not uninterested but I may be inadvertently unhelpful.

[bozotheclown]

I still think Jamie's weird but I'm not loving sitting on a wagon with Hamilton, and his recent activity makes me think there are probably better options.

I'd consider sheeping Vecna but first let's see if anyone would ##vote bozo with me.

Okay, so no bozo today. I guess of the other people with votes, I'd prefer Hamilton > Jamie > HR > Summit > bo.

##vote Hamilton

Why would you consider following Vecna onto summit if summit was so far down your preferred kill order?

[bozotheclown]

I think Jamie is looking a lot more like his normal self this past half hour, although he can probably replicate that as scum.

Damo is acting so differently than how he did when I was scum with him.

I think Jamie's probably a better actor than damo, so between them I'd ##vote Jamie

Were you saying damo played poorly when he was scum with you?

[bozotheclown]

Now that our guests are gone, let me try to explain.

HR was lead wagon. My vote on Jamie was not going to garner anything with no one else moving. I felt less certain about Summit being town than Jamie. My vote made it 4HR/3Sum with some others behind.

Then I tended to my guests. Poured 3 of my beers for them. My time with the game was done until I could check back in.

As far as I was concerned, HR was going to go. I would have been more than happy with that.

Kgray, I think is in the clear. made a sensible move from Bozo to HB. Not a questionable move if the wagon was going to build on me.

I'm not of the mind right now but I think town needs to be looking at "who tied" and "who moved off the tie."

If I am going to go down, then it is imperative that we use the time remaining to build a case determining who the worse of the worse is. If I'm hung, that's going to be town down by 3 plus 1 due to Day3 mafia kill.

Sure, I've played a shit town game, but those of you looking solely at me are getting played by mafia. Let's figure out who they are, please.

Why do you think kgray is clear for voting for you if you are town?

[bozotheclown]

HB did not vote me D2. You asked if I think all 3 mafia voted me D2. What planet are you on where that makes any sense whatsoever?

I meant vote for you at any time D2, not just end voting for you. HB did vote for you D2.

HB voted me for a grand total of one minute with over a day of the phase remaining. The only people who did not vote me at any point were kgray and Bo. If your question is 'Do I townread Kgray and Bo', you should really try stating that instead of asking in dumb roundabout manners.

And to answer: Bo's D1 EoD still smells of protecting HB, and I can buy that he would bus him D2, so I am not going to give him a free townread just for not voting me there. Kgray was also very slow to vote HB despite agreeing that he was scummy for most of the day, but the speed at which kgray voted HB after his horrendous vote there and the fact kgray was the first person to join me on HB is a massive plus point, so I do townread kgray for that.

If you are town, I believe at least one of bo_sox or kgray is very likely scum, but you seem more willing to believe they are both town.

[bozotheclown]

I meant vote for you at any time D2, not just end voting for you. HB did vote for you D2.

HB voted me for a grand total of one minute with over a day of the phase remaining. The only people who did not vote me at any point were kgray and Bo. If your question is 'Do I townread Kgray and Bo', you should really try stating that instead of asking in dumb roundabout manners.

And to answer: Bo's D1 EoD still smells of protecting HB, and I can buy that he would bus him D2, so I am not going to give him a free townread just for not voting me there. Kgray was also very slow to vote HB despite agreeing that he was scummy for most of the day, but the speed at which kgray voted HB after his horrendous vote there and the fact kgray was the first person to join me on HB is a massive plus point, so I do townread kgray for that.

If you are town, I believe at least one of bo_sox or kgray is very likely scum, but you seem more willing to believe they are both town.

Also, if you are town, I think it is very likely at least one of summit or kgray is scum, otherwise HB's D1 wagon would be all town. If I knew you were town and was sure HB was scum, I would be even more confident one of summit or kgray is scum. However, you have said you do not think summit and HB are partners, and that you town read kgray.

[bozotheclown]

If HB is scum, then he is already getting bussed unless the scum team is HB, Macca, and summit. With 5 players willing to vote for HB immediately, I think the scum are either pushing him as an easy mis-kill, or are bussing him. Either way I think it is likely there are 2 scum on his wagon.

rdrivera's vote was meant to be D2 EOD, but he has stated HB is his preferred kill, so I assume he is intentionally leaving his vote there.

[bozotheclown]

Maybe the easiest explanation is that HR has been bussing HB.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE HR

[TheMadMonarch]

I know you're all doing advanced analysis, but I've got some changes to my reads:

I had before stated my suspicions of Bozo, based mostly his general lack of engagement, unlike what he's done in the past. He has since however, changed his tune, and some of the more recent things he has said and done now have me believing the he is town.

Similarly, I also am leaning town on Bo_ and kgray, based on their (from what I can tell) good town work.

Jamie is a weird one. I think he's done some stuff I believe to help us uncover the mafia, but he's just giving off weird vibes.

Summit and RDR are null for now.

[TheMadMonarch]

Do you have any new reads? Who is scummy? Who do you think is town?

I had originally not a good feeling about Bozo. This came form what seemed like more laid-back play he was doing. I comparison to the more aggressive, skilled townplay I've seen and heard him do in the past, it seemed suspicious.
His posting has however, gone up, and I'm feeling much better about him now. Especially after the detailed breakdowns he's given in the last couple of pages, which seem much more like the Bozo I espect.


My last read through has seen a lot of talk now about HR, and after going back over it, he is leaning towards scum.

For now:
##VOTE HR

What was your reason for thinking HR was a scum possibility when you voted for him?

Not gonna lie, I'm pretty gullible. Players I definitely trusted, like Vecna, were raising some pretty good points. Then you, who I was reading more and more town by the minute, gave out very detailed reasoning for why you believed it to be true.

Due to my limited understanding of the way people act in this game, following people who I believed were town and knowledgeable, seemed the right choice of action.

Similar reasoning and action will likely be used by me for the remainder of the game.

[Jamiet99uk]

Yes, but it seems to me like you're trying to set up a switch.

I am allowed to have more than one strong scumread.

But I am also happy staying on HR, I assure you.

Why didn't you switch back to HR when you could have broken the three way tie?

Were you online at EoD?

The votes were moving around so fast with multiple cross-posted votes... it was impossible to know what was happening.

[Jamiet99uk]

A lot of Bozo's activity this phase feels fake.

He generally gives the overall tone of a reasonably intelligent person who has just subbed into the game and is asking a range of hopefully insightful questions, but from a position of relative ignorance.

So in fact most of Bozo's questioning of other people ranges from the redundant to the obvious. In many places he seems to be asking people things they have already answered in prior discussions as both Bo_Sox and HR have noted.

@Bozo: Prior to today, were you actively reading the thread? Why were you apparently so disengaged for most of D1 and D2?

Notice that I have asked Bozo this question before (it was on page 40), and he totally ignored me.

Something is is fishy here.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE SUMMIT_FEVER for now though. He's out of excuses.