M1015 - Super Mafioso Bros

[bo_sox48]

Can you turn your brain on for a second and actually answer my question instead of answering one I didn't ask?

[bozotheclown]

HB did not vote me D2. You asked if I think all 3 mafia voted me D2. What planet are you on where that makes any sense whatsoever?

I meant vote for you at any time D2, not just end voting for you. HB did vote for you D2.

HB voted me for a grand total of one minute with over a day of the phase remaining. The only people who did not vote me at any point were kgray and Bo. If your question is 'Do I townread Kgray and Bo', you should really try stating that instead of asking in dumb roundabout manners.

And to answer: Bo's D1 EoD still smells of protecting HB, and I can buy that he would bus him D2, so I am not going to give him a free townread just for not voting me there. Kgray was also very slow to vote HB despite agreeing that he was scummy for most of the day, but the speed at which kgray voted HB after his horrendous vote there and the fact kgray was the first person to join me on HB is a massive plus point, so I do townread kgray for that.

Do you still suspect bo_sox after he saved you by switching his vote back to HB?

[Hellenic Riot]

I shall put it in simple terms for you once and for all, Bozo:

At the time of the D1 death, I did not know that the BP would not be notified that they had been hit (and I'm operating under the strong assumption that nobody else did either, as that was most certainly not listed in the setup)

So I suggested that the scum had fucked up, as the damo wagon formed very late and I'd already suggested that the scum could get caught out by this D1. I made that statement very much under the assumption that it would be quickly debunked by a hit BP if that were the case, and that if not it would be an interesting start to a discussion about who would be most likely to have been caught flat-footed due to absence or being too busy trying to save their own bacon at that EoD.

Then it turned out that the BP was not notified, the BP had to claim anyway, and there was no point trying to read into it anymore. Unfortunately, you've now spent the past 48 hours obsessing over that single post and quite clearly haven't even been reading half of what else has been going on, so I guess it's my bad for not writing all my posts in crayon to make sure you could follow them.

[bo_sox48]

Yes, I meant it doesn't make sense, why do you think HR did not read the setup?

I don't know if he read the setup. I don't know what this has to do with it. Are tiebreaker votes in the mafia chat part of the "setup" to you? Why do you think anyone who isn't mafia would care about or even read about tie votes in the mafia chat?

[Hellenic Riot]

I meant vote for you at any time D2, not just end voting for you. HB did vote for you D2.

HB voted me for a grand total of one minute with over a day of the phase remaining. The only people who did not vote me at any point were kgray and Bo. If your question is 'Do I townread Kgray and Bo', you should really try stating that instead of asking in dumb roundabout manners.

And to answer: Bo's D1 EoD still smells of protecting HB, and I can buy that he would bus him D2, so I am not going to give him a free townread just for not voting me there. Kgray was also very slow to vote HB despite agreeing that he was scummy for most of the day, but the speed at which kgray voted HB after his horrendous vote there and the fact kgray was the first person to join me on HB is a massive plus point, so I do townread kgray for that.

Do you still suspect bo_sox after he saved you by switching his vote back to HB?

I literally stated in the very post you quoted that I am not giving him a free townread and I could definitely see him bussing there - Especially as just last game he was part of a scumteam that got destroyed due at least in part to its inability to get any bussing at EoD's done. He is not my prime suspect, but he is absolutely still on the table.

[bozotheclown]

Looking at D2 EOD, it appears bo_sox was doing everything he could to save HR, including deliberately causing a tie instead of letting HR get killed, yet bo_sox immediately blamed summit, apparently for not letting himself get killed, and HR blamed rdrivera for voting for HB late. Too bad Foxcastle is not in the game.

A world of misrepresentation, but I can't call that malicious because I don't think you're intelligent enough to interpret things correctly. I announced quite plainly that if the vote were tied I would break the tie by moving from HB to summit. I did that with 1 minute and 30 seconds to go. With 30 seconds to go, which - you can count, right? - is 60 seconds later, I refreshed the page, saw no change, so I moved to break the tie. Simultaneously, having ignored me completely, Vecna changed to HB, which meant that my crossposted vote had just tied it again. So I changed back to HB in order to, again, make sure that there was no tie. It was totally unselfish of me, allowing Vecna, a clear who I had some faith in, the opportunity to decide who the lynch was one way or another between HB and summit and sticking with that even if he made his move too late.

While this was going on, summit decided to participate in the EOD after sitting idle for some time prior alone on a wagon that didn't exist. He moved from me, where he was on his own, to HR, which gave HR 4 votes. By the time I had gone back to voting for HB after Vecna crossposted me, there were only a few seconds left in the phase and no time to change again, not that I would have let summit manipulate my unselfish and otherwise useful plan to decide himself who the lynch would be anyway without providing any relevant input during the EOD.

If summit were voting for "not letting himself get killed" as you claim, he would have voted for HB, because HB is where the momentum was and HB is the one who was leading the vote before he tied it. He was simply not participating and paying attention and fucked it up as a result.

Maybe summit was voting to save himself while still voting for his top scum read between HB and HR. If your goal was to allow Vecna to decide the kill, why not just vote for summit at the time you gave your 60 second warning? It seemed like you were trying to get Vecna to move to HB rather than letting Vecna decide the kill. It is possible you, HR, and summit are the scum team and you are bussing summit.

[bozotheclown]

Can you turn your brain on for a second and actually answer my question instead of answering one I didn't ask?

In my opinion, you and HR look the worse based on D1 and D2, so if you are asking me to assume you both are town and look at D1 and D2 with that assumption, I still do not think HB is the obvious scum.

[bozotheclown]

HB voted me for a grand total of one minute with over a day of the phase remaining. The only people who did not vote me at any point were kgray and Bo. If your question is 'Do I townread Kgray and Bo', you should really try stating that instead of asking in dumb roundabout manners.

And to answer: Bo's D1 EoD still smells of protecting HB, and I can buy that he would bus him D2, so I am not going to give him a free townread just for not voting me there. Kgray was also very slow to vote HB despite agreeing that he was scummy for most of the day, but the speed at which kgray voted HB after his horrendous vote there and the fact kgray was the first person to join me on HB is a massive plus point, so I do townread kgray for that.

Do you still suspect bo_sox after he saved you by switching his vote back to HB?

I literally stated in the very post you quoted that I am not giving him a free townread and I could definitely see him bussing there - Especially as just last game he was part of a scumteam that got destroyed due at least in part to its inability to get any bussing at EoD's done. He is not my prime suspect, but he is absolutely still on the table.

So you think it is possible bo_sox could have let you get killed D2, but instead forced a tie to bus his scum partner?

[Hellenic Riot]

Do you still suspect bo_sox after he saved you by switching his vote back to HB?

I literally stated in the very post you quoted that I am not giving him a free townread and I could definitely see him bussing there - Especially as just last game he was part of a scumteam that got destroyed due at least in part to its inability to get any bussing at EoD's done. He is not my prime suspect, but he is absolutely still on the table.

So you think it is possible bo_sox could have let you get killed D2, but instead forced a tie to bus his scum partner?

I do not anticipate that he would have tied it deliberately in said scenario, but rather tried to let me or summit bite said bullet

[rdrivera2005]

Which is your preference currently?

I think HB. But summit voting HR really annoys me. They could be scum together? HB vote seems to indicate not.

Why does summit's vote annoy you when you were voting for HR?

Because he tied the vote. After Vecna (our only townclear) voted vor HB I can't see a reason a townie would change his vote and risk a tie. And summit wasn't voting to save himself, he saved HB.

[bozotheclown]

I think HB. But summit voting HR really annoys me. They could be scum together? HB vote seems to indicate not.

Why does summit's vote annoy you when you were voting for HR?

Because he tied the vote. After Vecna (our only townclear) voted vor HB I can't see a reason a townie would change his vote and risk a tie. And summit wasn't voting to save himself, he saved HB.

summit did not tie the vote, bo_sox tied the vote twice. Also, bo_sox said he would vote for summit to break the tie, so summit was at risk of getting killed.

[bozotheclown]

I think HB. But summit voting HR really annoys me. They could be scum together? HB vote seems to indicate not.

Why does summit's vote annoy you when you were voting for HR?

Because he tied the vote. After Vecna (our only townclear) voted vor HB I can't see a reason a townie would change his vote and risk a tie. And summit wasn't voting to save himself, he saved HB.

Do you think HB could have been bussing summit, yet summit moved at EOD to protect HB?

[bo_sox48]

Maybe summit was voting to save himself while still voting for his top scum read between HB and HR. If your goal was to allow Vecna to decide the kill, why not just vote for summit at the time you gave your 60 second warning? It seemed like you were trying to get Vecna to move to HB rather than letting Vecna decide the kill. It is possible you, HR, and summit are the scum team and you are bussing summit.

If summit wanted to vote to save himself, why didn't he vote for HB before I moved to ensure I didn't move my vote to summit?

I gave Vecna the opportunity to decide if he wanted to, but I had just voted for HB and actually meant it you know. After I did, Jamie moved off of HR, who was up 4-3 over HB, to summit, to tie the vote at 3 apiece for each wagon. Why would I move my vote off of HB in that scenario earlier than I had to? Do you even know how stupid it is to ask why I didn't move my vote off of the person I wanted to be on at the EOD earlier so that everyone else could more easily figure out where they wanted to end up?

I didn't give a 60 second "warning." I made it clear that were the vote tied in 60 seconds, I would take the responsibility to break the tie, and made it very clear onto which wagons I would go in order to do so. Why do you want to make it sound so ominous?

Why would you think I wasn't trying to get Vecna to move to HB? Town or scum, I'm here to manipulate the game.

Why would I push my teammate over the top when HB has all the momentum? Why do you suppose I would push Vecna toward HB and then bus my teammate instead of letting HB get lynched if my plan was to put HB in the lead anyway?

Can you turn your brain on for a second and actually answer my question instead of answering one I didn't ask?

In my opinion, you and HR look the worse based on D1 and D2, so if you are asking me to assume you both are town and look at D1 and D2 with that assumption, I still do not think HB is the obvious scum.

Are you blind, deaf, dumb, or what? I didn't ask you to assume I'm town. I don't give a fuck what you assume about me. Assume HR is town, and tell me what the fuck happened day 1 and day 2 when HE was the lead wagon TWICE. Does it make me scum? Great. Does it make you scum? Fantastic. Tell me what the fuck you conclude.

[bozotheclown]

Really think Hamilton is the scummiest of these three

I don't

##vote hellenic

Did HB's unexplained vote for you not make you reconsider your read of him?

[rdrivera2005]

Why does summit's vote annoy you when you were voting for HR?

Because he tied the vote. After Vecna (our only townclear) voted vor HB I can't see a reason a townie would change his vote and risk a tie. And summit wasn't voting to save himself, he saved HB.

Do you think HB could have been bussing summit, yet summit moved at EOD to protect HB?

I think it's possible. But I also totally can see an HR and Bo team here. I need to sleep, I am just entering paranoia mode.

[bozotheclown]

Maybe summit was voting to save himself while still voting for his top scum read between HB and HR. If your goal was to allow Vecna to decide the kill, why not just vote for summit at the time you gave your 60 second warning? It seemed like you were trying to get Vecna to move to HB rather than letting Vecna decide the kill. It is possible you, HR, and summit are the scum team and you are bussing summit.

If summit wanted to vote to save himself, why didn't he vote for HB before I moved to ensure I didn't move my vote to summit?

I gave Vecna the opportunity to decide if he wanted to, but I had just voted for HB and actually meant it you know. After I did, Jamie moved off of HR, who was up 4-3 over HB, to summit, to tie the vote at 3 apiece for each wagon. Why would I move my vote off of HB in that scenario earlier than I had to? Do you even know how stupid it is to ask why I didn't move my vote off of the person I wanted to be on at the EOD earlier so that everyone else could more easily figure out where they wanted to end up?

I didn't give a 60 second "warning." I made it clear that were the vote tied in 60 seconds, I would take the responsibility to break the tie, and made it very clear onto which wagons I would go in order to do so. Why do you want to make it sound so ominous?

Why would you think I wasn't trying to get Vecna to move to HB? Town or scum, I'm here to manipulate the game.

Why would I push my teammate over the top when HB has all the momentum? Why do you suppose I would push Vecna toward HB and then bus my teammate instead of letting HB get lynched if my plan was to put HB in the lead anyway?

Can you turn your brain on for a second and actually answer my question instead of answering one I didn't ask?

In my opinion, you and HR look the worse based on D1 and D2, so if you are asking me to assume you both are town and look at D1 and D2 with that assumption, I still do not think HB is the obvious scum.

Are you blind, deaf, dumb, or what? I didn't ask you to assume I'm town. I don't give a fuck what you assume about me. Assume HR is town, and tell me what the fuck happened day 1 and day 2 when HE was the lead wagon TWICE. Does it make me scum? Great. Does it make you scum? Fantastic. Tell me what the fuck you conclude.

Summit said he was town reading HB, why should he let you dictate his vote?

Before you said you were unselfishly letting Vecna decide the kill, now you are saying you were manipulating Vecna into voting for your preferred kill. Are both of these things possible?

##VOTE bo_sox

[TheMadMonarch]

It might just be me, but it's getting pretty confusing telling the difference between HR and HB, and trying to remember the actions either one did.

Maybe we should kill one to make it simpler?

[TheMadMonarch]

It might just be me, but it's getting pretty confusing telling the difference between HR and HB, and trying to remember the actions either one did.

Maybe we should kill one to make it simpler?

This is a joke.

[bozotheclown]

If HB's vote movement D1 between Jamie and damo and his vote for summit D2 were scum motivated, I do not see what he was trying to accomplish. It seems HB may just be an easy target for the mafia.

[bozotheclown]

I haven't read anything yet, but after my post about Bozo, my interenet cut off. The bit about him not supporting the "massclaim" was a joke. I meant to say that it was, but that didn't happen.
I will begin to read now.

Do you have any new reads? Who is scummy? Who do you think is town?

I had originally not a good feeling about Bozo. This came form what seemed like more laid-back play he was doing. I comparison to the more aggressive, skilled townplay I've seen and heard him do in the past, it seemed suspicious.
His posting has however, gone up, and I'm feeling much better about him now. Especially after the detailed breakdowns he's given in the last couple of pages, which seem much more like the Bozo I espect.


My last read through has seen a lot of talk now about HR, and after going back over it, he is leaning towards scum.

For now:
##VOTE HR

What was your reason for thinking HR was a scum possibility when you voted for him?