M1015 - Super Mafioso Bros

[Hellenic Riot]

Since we're done voting based on post count, where are rdrivera and summit?

I had a busy day at work and a great night playing tennis now that the club is finally open (it was closed since April cause the pandemic).

But I read all the 3 pages of hard activities you produced. Weird that Jamiet didn't notice Vecna's obvious soft claim even without looking the YouTube link, but why scum Jamiet would fake this? Can't see him trying to gain town cred with a think like this.

I don't like HB today. This "I am lost, what should we do" scene is hard to believe after him playing pretty well last full game. Could HR push on him be a theater/buss? If this is true there is a deep covered scum and I wrong about Macca. Stiil less likely I think, but something to consider.

I'm highly confused that you think that as scum I would take a TvT situation at EoD1 (Jamie vs Damo) and then suddenly turn HB into a viable counter-wagon as a bus there - That just makes no sense whatsoever. So unless you think I'm scum with both HB *and* Jamie, I don't really see how you can possibly think I'm bussing HB.

[Hellenic Riot]

I agree with this, I think HB's posts are scummier than his votes. Can you please address why you think his flipping was scummy in the first place? I'm still not really seeing it.

Sure thing. Quick Hamilton Vote Analysis:

40 Mins til EoD:
Hamilton votes Damo, with the post "Let's make this interesting."

This makes it 4 Jamie, 3 Damo, with zero votes on HB
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Time passes with him doing nothing more of note except asking where Bo in particular is going to put his vote
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6 Mins til EoD:

HB votes Jamie with no reasoning whatsoever, in the post answering my question about why he was asking Bo in particular who he'd vote.

This makes it 5 Jamie, 3 Damo, with 1 vote (Summit) on HB
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4 mins til EoD:

HB revotes Damo, once again without explanation.

This makes it 5 Damo, 3 HB, 1 Jamie, as the Jamie wagon had just collapsed.

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@kgray

Earlier you said that that Hamilton's vote changes were just due to self-preservation. As you can clearly see, that was only the case with the final one, and in fact he switched between Damo and Jamie without ever giving reasoning for wanting either of them well before his wagon took off at the end. That is bad. The way he's scrabbled to try and find an excuse today has not made it any better, but it was bad in the first place too.

Thanks HR. You're right, he doesn't give much explanation with his votes, and didn't seem to be scumreading either prior to EOD. If Jamie is town then I could certainly see a world where scum!Hamilton didn't care which of the two died. But really, I don't see that as being that much more likely than town!Hamilton just being confused.

As a note, I only ever thought his last vote was for self-preservation, not all of them. The first switch to Jamie I thought could be seen as preventing a tie. I don't think ties are generally good for town, and they can be really helpful for scum (potentially saving a teammate, depriving town of info, etc). So when Hamilton made the vote 5 on Jamie, 3 on damo (breaking the tie) it didn't raise any alarms for me. What does concern me about it is the explanation he gave about wanting to force scum to try to break a tie, which doesn't make any sense to me at all, especially since he's the one who broke the tie...

The first vote was 40 minutes before EoD - That's way too early to be put down to 'avoiding a tie'. I don't really see how either vote suggests confusion either - There's nothing that implies confusion in the sentence "Let's make this interesting" when he voted Damo, and given he was prodding Bo to vote just before his vote on Jamie, I don't buy that there was confusion in that either. I'd be perfectly happy to put down HB's play to confusion if there was actually any sign of it, but there is not. Indeed he seems markedly less confused than he has in the past few games (which, sure, could just be due to not being a noob anymore).

[Hellenic Riot]

I had a busy day at work and a great night playing tennis now that the club is finally open (it was closed since April cause the pandemic).

But I read all the 3 pages of hard activities you produced. Weird that Jamiet didn't notice Vecna's obvious soft claim even without looking the YouTube link, but why scum Jamiet would fake this? Can't see him trying to gain town cred with a think like this.

I don't like HB today. This "I am lost, what should we do" scene is hard to believe after him playing pretty well last full game. Could HR push on him be a theater/buss? If this is true there is a deep covered scum and I wrong about Macca. Stiil less likely I think, but something to consider.

Is you being wrong about me meaning I'm scum or town?

Town. I made an hypothesis earlier that you are scum with HR because of the way you disappeared and because of the way HR reacted to Summit push on you. But I can't see a scumteam with you, HR and HB, so if HB is scum with HR you are probably town.
A bit convoluted when I wrote it, but it makes sense on my mind.

Now, goodnight.

What basis did that hypothesis even have? I didn't react in the slightest at the time when summit pushed Macca - I only mentioned it like 24 hours later when Jamie suggested that neither me nor summit had ever done anything.

[summit_fever]

Has anything been accomplished with these games?

vecna has claimed bulletproof with his youtube link.

Furthermore, what do you mean by “accomplished?”

Finding scum. Do you think this post makes Jamie look more or less townie?

How do you interpret this Kgray?

Well I'm certainly not getting a good feeling from Jamie. I think he's being intentionally stubborn and I think he could be trying to cover up for the fact that he already knows who the BP is. I don't know if the claim is true, but it is very obviously a claim and pretending it doesn't exist seems like trying to avoid having to give any thoughts on it.

I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, and I'm not "pretending" anything.

I don't see anyone making an explicit claim to be the BP, and I do not know who it is.

[summit_fever]

@Bozo, @Bo:

What do you make of Kgray saying that a clear claim has been made, and calling poeple suspect or stupid for apparently seeing no such posts.?

I haven't called anyone stupid and I'm only explicitly calling you suspect for missing it. You, Jamie, are someone who gets very particular about things. You focus on little things that set you off and demand explanations for things you don't understand. I was surprised that you missed Vecna's claim and even more interested in your inability to find it after we talked about it. In particular, I thought: if not the BP claim, what could you possibly have thought Vecna was referring to about the truth being in the chorus? How could you have read that post and not either (1) connected it to the claim or (2) thought it was strange and realized that's the post I was referring to, thereby also realizing it was part of the claim?

This is just strange to me. Why doesn't Bozo deserve some flak for missing the claim? Or anybody else? I missed it too until vecna really started hinting at it.

[bozotheclown]

Yes, I was pretty consistent in saying I would happily vote for HB there. Indeed the person who was not consistent is Vecna, who suggested at the time he voted Damo that any of myself, Summit, or HB were better wagons but then very much failed to switch to HB when that wagon appeared.

As for Jamie, I don't especially scumread him anymore, but I also don't anticipate him having the brainpower to change, so I might vote him later as it's generally better for the town if he's dead regardless.

And to Bozo - I was obviously not aware that the BP would not be notified they were hit (a very odd mechanic) at that time. The fact we can't know if the scum got caught out by the late shift of wagons or not is very irritating.

Not knowing if the BP was aware if they were hit does not explain why you would think it was reasonable that the mafia might have ended D1 with a kill order on damo.

[bozotheclown]

Jamie “not noticing” there was no NK is very strange, and combined with his reaction to damo’s flip is pretty suspect.

HR’s suggestion that the scum team would have ended the phase killing damo doesn’t mesh well with his previously logical thoughts.

Bozo ignoring a claim and instead speculating that bo might be BP is very odd.

I thought bo_sox might be soft claiming BP. I had not watched Vecna's video at that time.

[Vecna]

@Bozo, @Bo:

What do you make of Kgray saying that a clear claim has been made, and calling poeple suspect or stupid for apparently seeing no such posts.?

I haven't called anyone stupid and I'm only explicitly calling you suspect for missing it. You, Jamie, are someone who gets very particular about things. You focus on little things that set you off and demand explanations for things you don't understand. I was surprised that you missed Vecna's claim and even more interested in your inability to find it after we talked about it. In particular, I thought: if not the BP claim, what could you possibly have thought Vecna was referring to about the truth being in the chorus? How could you have read that post and not either (1) connected it to the claim or (2) thought it was strange and realized that's the post I was referring to, thereby also realizing it was part of the claim?

This is just strange to me. Why doesn't Bozo deserve some flak for missing the claim? Or anybody else? I missed it too until vecna really started hinting at it.

The take-away is that 3 people already knew. And scum have daychat

[Vecna]

0 townpings from you yet summit

[Foxcastle]

VOTE COUNT

Hellenic Riot (5): bozotheclown, Jamiet99uk, Vecna, rdrivera2005, Macca573
Jamiet99uk (2): kgray, Hamilton Brian
Hamilton Brian (1): Hellenic Riot

Bo_Sox and summit_fever have not voted (not that they need to)

Hellenic Riot is headed for Game Over.

You have ~9 hours and 45 minutes left in Day 2.

[TheMadMonarch]

I think my vote is fine where it is. I will now be going to bed.

I will see you after EOD (maybe later).

[bo_sox48]

Bringing this back for bozo, I don't believe he has answered this.

"Mafia kill will be decided by majority vote. In the event of a tie, the newest vote will break the tie."

For damo to be the mafia kill target, 2 mafia would have to end the day voting for him, or if the three mafia were voting for different players, the last vote would have to be for damo. damo was tied for the lead or in the lead 5 hours before EOD until 51 minutes before EOD, and he was always at risk of the day kill for the last 51 minutes. All players except Macca posted in the last 30 minutes, and all players except Macca and myself posted in the last 5 minutes.

Considering this, I do not see how HR could realistically think the following:

So when I said late changed might make scum waste their vote on the daykill, I was being especially prescient

Doesn’t it make more sense for HR to say this if he didn’t know the mechanics of tie votes? That would imply that he’s town, obviously.

[Durga]

Please don't post in this game if you're not in this game.

@everyone please ignore the spam

@a mod in this game - pls delete that spam

[Durga]

Please don't engage with players not in the game in this thread, thanks.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo, @Bo:

What do you make of Kgray saying that a clear claim has been made, and calling poeple suspect or stupid for apparently seeing no such posts.?

I haven't called anyone stupid and I'm only explicitly calling you suspect for missing it. You, Jamie, are someone who gets very particular about things. You focus on little things that set you off and demand explanations for things you don't understand. I was surprised that you missed Vecna's claim and even more interested in your inability to find it after we talked about it. In particular, I thought: if not the BP claim, what could you possibly have thought Vecna was referring to about the truth being in the chorus? How could you have read that post and not either (1) connected it to the claim or (2) thought it was strange and realized that's the post I was referring to, thereby also realizing it was part of the claim?

Oh, it was in the fucking link he posted?

I see.

I generally don't click on links that people post, especially when I'm checking the game on my phone.

Why did Vecna say "the mod told me to post this" ?

Vecna, you really shouldn't say things like that. I am sure Durga did not encourage you to claim, and you should not make claims about the GM like that. Really fucking shitty behaviour.

[Jamiet99uk]

If HR and Macca are scum together, that could also explain why HR made such over-blown remarks about Summit "pushing" Macca, to make it look as if Macca was getting more pressure than was actually the case. A form of bussing-by-proxy, if you will.

I think you're the one making overblown remarks, but I see that as town!jamie. I don't think HR was ever arguing that I was going full bore to kill macca. Saying I pushed him isn't some huge distortion of the truth though.

Well, yes it is, because you didn't push fuck all.

You've done almost nothing in this game. You're a non-entity. Why is that?

[Vecna]

@Bozo, @Bo:

What do you make of Kgray saying that a clear claim has been made, and calling poeple suspect or stupid for apparently seeing no such posts.?

I haven't called anyone stupid and I'm only explicitly calling you suspect for missing it. You, Jamie, are someone who gets very particular about things. You focus on little things that set you off and demand explanations for things you don't understand. I was surprised that you missed Vecna's claim and even more interested in your inability to find it after we talked about it. In particular, I thought: if not the BP claim, what could you possibly have thought Vecna was referring to about the truth being in the chorus? How could you have read that post and not either (1) connected it to the claim or (2) thought it was strange and realized that's the post I was referring to, thereby also realizing it was part of the claim?

Oh, it was in the fucking link he posted?

I see.

I generally don't click on links that people post, especially when I'm checking the game on my phone.

Why did Vecna say "the mod told me to post this" ?

Vecna, you really shouldn't say things like that. I am sure Durga did not encourage you to claim, and you should not make claims about the GM like that. Really fucking shitty behaviour.

If im out of line, the gm can inform me. take your weakass shit outta here

[Jamiet99uk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ybW48rKBME

[Vecna]

I knew what it was. Still clicked it

[Jamiet99uk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itkUhG2D7c8