M1015 - Super Mafioso Bros

[Hamilton Brian]

##vote jamie

Any concerns about the HR wagon, aside from it's the majority?

[kgray]

##vote jamie

Any concerns about the HR wagon, aside from it's the majority?

I'm suspicious of HR and I think he's a good wagon, but yeah I don't think everyone piling on is very helpful.

As for the people on the wagon: I think Jamie and bozo (to a lesser extent) are suspicious, I very strongly townread Vecna, Macca seems a bit overwhelmed and is null to me, and my scumread of rdr has softened considerably. So I guess it's not too bad.

[Hamilton Brian]

I am definitely suspicious of both HR and Jamie.

I've got some worries about the way this vote is shaping up; the only upside is that there is many hours for it to change.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE bo_sox

Maybe I'm dumb, but why does this make you vote Bo_?

Bozo, you still haven't responded to this. I'm just interested.

He brought up the possibility of the mafia not attempting a kill, which would be very unlikely, so it seemed to me like he might have been trying to look like he did not know the BP was targeted. I may have misinterpreted his question.

[bozotheclown]

By this logic, if you're a town PR you should never make any mention at all of your role because you know more than other people and therefore asking them questions about you to probe their brain is needless.

I'll ask again - why do you think I'm not the BP?

If you are the BP and you thought the BP would be notified when hit, I could see your question from a BP perspective.

@bozo do you think bo is the BP?

maybe

[Jamiet99uk]

How do you interpret this Kgray?

Well I'm certainly not getting a good feeling from Jamie. I think he's being intentionally stubborn and I think he could be trying to cover up for the fact that he already knows who the BP is. I don't know if the claim is true, but it is very obviously a claim and pretending it doesn't exist seems like trying to avoid having to give any thoughts on it.

I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, and I'm not "pretending" anything.

I don't see anyone making an explicit claim to be the BP, and I do not know who it is.

[Jamiet99uk]

If people would just say what they mean instead of insinuating they have special powers of comprehension and sneering at other people, that'd be great.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo, @Bo:

What do you make of Kgray saying that a clear claim has been made, and calling poeple suspect or stupid for apparently seeing no such posts.?

[summit_fever]

RDR, Jamie became lead wagon in the 6th minute. Your vote then shifted it to create the tie. Why did you decide to move your vote at that point? Why would you not have wanted to wait for more time to expire?

Would you be surprised if you were called out for potentially fostering suspicion around and RDR-Jamie scum team and you were ensuring your partner is safe?

What I find more damning is HR's move off of Jamie. The dynamic between the two of you is something I need to see in a different light.

HR said he would vote for you once the wagon formed.

[Hamilton Brian]

HR said he would vote for you once the wagon formed.

True, he did. That was at the 19th minute. Didn't move the vote until the 5th minute. You had put the vote on me at the 11th minute.

I made Jamie the lead wagon with 6 minutes to go.

It doesn't take too great a leap of logic to suggest that HR or RDR could have been protecting Jamie.

[Hellenic Riot]

Yes, I was pretty consistent in saying I would happily vote for HB there. Indeed the person who was not consistent is Vecna, who suggested at the time he voted Damo that any of myself, Summit, or HB were better wagons but then very much failed to switch to HB when that wagon appeared.

As for Jamie, I don't especially scumread him anymore, but I also don't anticipate him having the brainpower to change, so I might vote him later as it's generally better for the town if he's dead regardless.

And to Bozo - I was obviously not aware that the BP would not be notified they were hit (a very odd mechanic) at that time. The fact we can't know if the scum got caught out by the late shift of wagons or not is very irritating.

[Hellenic Riot]

Anyway, I'm going to sit tight on HB & Vecna being two scum and let the rest of you figure out who the third is

##Vote Hamilton Brian

[summit_fever]

If HR and Macca are scum together, that could also explain why HR made such over-blown remarks about Summit "pushing" Macca, to make it look as if Macca was getting more pressure than was actually the case. A form of bussing-by-proxy, if you will.

I think you're the one making overblown remarks, but I see that as town!jamie. I don't think HR was ever arguing that I was going full bore to kill macca. Saying I pushed him isn't some huge distortion of the truth though.

[summit_fever]

I haven't read anything yet, but after my post about Bozo, my interenet cut off. The bit about him not supporting the "massclaim" was a joke. I meant to say that it was, but that didn't happen.
I will begin to read now.

Do you have any new reads? Who is scummy? Who do you think is town?

I had originally not a good feeling about Bozo. This came form what seemed like more laid-back play he was doing. I comparison to the more aggressive, skilled townplay I've seen and heard him do in the past, it seemed suspicious.
His posting has however, gone up, and I'm feeling much better about him now. Especially after the detailed breakdowns he's given in the last couple of pages, which seem much more like the Bozo I espect.


My last read through has seen a lot of talk now about HR, and after going back over it, he is leaning towards scum.

For now:
##VOTE HR

Are you only voting HR because others are as well? Why do you think he's scum?

[Hamilton Brian]

Anyway, I'm going to sit tight on HB & Vecna being two scum and let the rest of you figure out who the third is

##Vote Hamilton Brian

I think you're being unnecessarily stubborn about this. Make the case. I'm an open-book. I feel like the way you're latching on to a supposed change in my style is scummy. I feel like you are also trying to hedge away from Jamie too. The both of you? There's a weird interplay.

Let's play chicken with the vote, but don't lose sight of the fact we need to be eliminating scum.

##Vote HR

[Hamilton Brian]

Actually, take that back.

## Unvote

As long as you're leading, you don't need me jumping on.

##Vote Jamie

[summit_fever]

Has anything been accomplished with these games?

vecna has claimed bulletproof with his youtube link.

[Hamilton Brian]

Has anything been accomplished with these games?

vecna has claimed bulletproof with his youtube link.

WHAT!! Jesus, I’m dense. Didn’t even pick up on that.

[Hamilton Brian]

Has anything been accomplished with these games?

vecna has claimed bulletproof with his youtube link.

Furthermore, what do you mean by “accomplished?”

[bo_sox48]

Do you believe Jamie did not notice there was no mafia kill until HR mentioned it? Do you believe HR thought that the mafia targeting damo was the most likely reason for no mafia kill?

It's an unusual mechanic, so I can buy not immediately noticing, but I don't think anyone other than someone just trying to play it cool and act natural would feel like rambunctiously declaring that they forgot all about that and how good it was for us now that they had been reminded.

"Mafia kill will be decided by majority vote. In the event of a tie, the newest vote will break the tie."

For damo to be the mafia kill target, 2 mafia would have to end the day voting for him, or if the three mafia were voting for different players, the last vote would have to be for damo. damo was tied for the lead or in the lead 5 hours before EOD until 51 minutes before EOD, and he was always at risk of the day kill for the last 51 minutes. All players except Macca posted in the last 30 minutes, and all players except Macca and myself posted in the last 5 minutes.

Considering this, I do not see how HR could realistically think the following:

So when I said late changed might make scum waste their vote on the daykill, I was being especially prescient

Doesn’t it make more sense for HR to say this if he didn’t know the mechanics of tie votes? That would imply that he’s town, obviously.

My last read through has seen a lot of talk now about HR, and after going back over it, he is leaning towards scum.

For now:
##VOTE HR

What about your read through the thread led you to believe HR is scum besides other people’s assertions?

I thought my erratic pattern might have forced scum to move to ensure a D1 kill as opposed to ending in a tie. As I reflect on it, I think a tie would have been a better outcome. I think...

This doesn’t make any sense at all.

@Bozo, @Bo:

What do you make of Kgray saying that a clear claim has been made, and calling poeple suspect or stupid for apparently seeing no such posts.?

What do you think I should I think of this? I know what post this is referring to, but I don’t think anyone is stupid for missing it and/or glossing over it entirely.