M1015 - Super Mafioso Bros

[Jamiet99uk]

The BP should certainly NOT claim if it has not been hit, because if the scum do hit it in future now we will gain an additional miskill.

The scum must already know if they targeted the Bulletproof, HR.

If they targeted Damo, then they know the Bulletproof was not hit.

If they targeted someone other than Damo, then they know that person to be the Bulletproof.

[bozotheclown]

How is it probable? Damo wasn't a legitimate wagon until the very end.

damo was the lead wagon with an hour to go, and all players except for Macca were active at EOD.

[bozotheclown]

Can I vote for you, because I think saying something sounds like a fake townslip sounds like a fake townslip?

Was you question directed at the BP?

Does it take that much brain power to figure out who this question was directed at, bozo?

Oh! Good point. I was so annoyed at being wrong on Damo I didn't notice there was no Mafia kill! Well at least that's a silver lining.

Do we know there was no attempt at a kill?

I don't know, Jamie said there was no mafia kill, and you asked if there was an attempt at a mafia kill. The obvious reason for no mafia kill is that the BP was hit, since it is very unlikely the mafia would have ended the day with a kill order on damo or with no kill order.

[bo_sox48]

Damo was also the lead wagon with 30 hours to go. What's your point? If the mafia team made sure they weren't voting to kill anyone with votes, there wouldn't be a very big pool left after yesterday. There was no surge of momentum onto him until about 40 minutes to go, and it is completely plausible that by then the mafia team's votes were arranged in such a way that they were unable to change it. If the BP wasn't hit, then they know this to be the case, and we can let them tell us so later on, but for now we have no idea.

[bo_sox48]

You don't know that when I quote Jamie and ask a question related to what Jamie said it is directed at Jamie?

Why do you think that question is "directed at the BP" to borrow your words? Why do you think I would direct a question at a role as opposed to a player?

[bozotheclown]

##CALL GM: Is the Bulletproof Villager notified when they survive a mafia kill?

[kgray]

Why are you apologizing? Do you think you've done something wrong? What's your current read of Jamie?

Here's where I need to learn the multiquote function.

You have to do multiple quotes manually, so you can copy and paste them from quotes in another window or just add (quote) and (/quote) - but with square brackets - in the right places. If you quote this message, you can see what I did to make this happen.

I am apologizing because I don't think those swings from wagon to wagon are necessarily town-friendly.

I don't think I did anything wrong. I did feel like making sudden movement would cause others to move which should open our eyes when doing VCA. I also ended up on a deciding wagon, which was something I was routined chastised for in the last game.

I don't see how ending on a deciding wagon is something to be chastised for, and I do think movement is good to see. I'm not sure what is scummy about your voting, but tbh I'm not getting a very townie feeling from the way you're apologizing for your votes.

I can't square a clear read on Jamie. I go back and forth according to each post. What's your read of them?

I think Jamie was acting very much like Jamie in the last half hour before EOD. The reason I started to be suspicious of him earlier was that he wasn't acting that way in the middle part of the phase, so when he showed up that faded somewhat. It's hard for me to get a read on him too, although I think Vecna's point about expecting town!Jamie to be more frustrated with damo rather than apologetic is poignant.

[Durga]

##CALL GM: Is the Bulletproof Villager notified when they survive a mafia kill?

They are not notified.

[bozotheclown]

You don't know that when I quote Jamie and ask a question related to what Jamie said it is directed at Jamie?

Why do you think that question is "directed at the BP" to borrow your words? Why do you think I would direct a question at a role as opposed to a player?

Only the BP and mafia have more information than you do.

[bo_sox48]

##CALL GM: Is the Bulletproof Villager notified when they survive a mafia kill?

They are not notified.

Really? Interesting mechanic then.

[bo_sox48]

You don't know that when I quote Jamie and ask a question related to what Jamie said it is directed at Jamie?

Why do you think that question is "directed at the BP" to borrow your words? Why do you think I would direct a question at a role as opposed to a player?

Only the BP and mafia have more information than you do.

I'm not sure what your point is here. Why do you think I'm not the BP?

[bozotheclown]

##CALL GM: Is the Bulletproof Villager notified when they survive a mafia kill?

They are not notified.

The BP should probably stay hidden then. The scum team will likely have at least one member vote for the BP for WIFOM, then kill the BP today.

[bozotheclown]

You don't know that when I quote Jamie and ask a question related to what Jamie said it is directed at Jamie?

Why do you think that question is "directed at the BP" to borrow your words? Why do you think I would direct a question at a role as opposed to a player?

Only the BP and mafia have more information than you do.

I'm not sure what your point is here. Why do you think I'm not the BP?

If you are, I would not expect you to think Jamie knows more than you about the subject.

[Hellenic Riot]

The BP should certainly NOT claim if it has not been hit, because if the scum do hit it in future now we will gain an additional miskill.

The scum must already know if they targeted the Bulletproof, HR.

If they targeted Damo, then they know the Bulletproof was not hit.

If they targeted someone other than Damo, then they know that person to be the Bulletproof.

I am aware, that is why I said "If it has not been hit"...

[Jamiet99uk]

The BP should certainly NOT claim if it has not been hit, because if the scum do hit it in future now we will gain an additional miskill.

The scum must already know if they targeted the Bulletproof, HR.

If they targeted Damo, then they know the Bulletproof was not hit.

If they targeted someone other than Damo, then they know that person to be the Bulletproof.

I am aware, that is why I said "If it has not been hit"...

Ah, yes, I see.

[bo_sox48]

Only the BP and mafia have more information than you do.

I'm not sure what your point is here. Why do you think I'm not the BP?

If you are, I would not expect you to think Jamie knows more than you about the subject.

By this logic, if you're a town PR you should never make any mention at all of your role because you know more than other people and therefore asking them questions about you to probe their brain is needless.

I'll ask again - why do you think I'm not the BP?

[TheMadMonarch]

I haven't read anything yet, but after my post about Bozo, my interenet cut off. The bit about him not supporting the "massclaim" was a joke. I meant to say that it was, but that didn't happen.
I will begin to read now.

[bo_sox48]

And then bozo leaves. Cool.

Riddle me this, bozo - why do you think that I as scum would think Jamie knows more about the BP than I do? If I am scum, I don't think Jamie knows more about the BP than I do because he is either my teammate and knows the same as me or town and knows less than me, OR he is actually the BP himself and does not know if the mafia team hit him, but I would, and therefore we now know also knows less than me.

The only thing that makes sense to me in the context of Jamie knowing more about the BP than I do and me trying to pry information out of him is if I am town and I scumread Jamie. That seems plausible, and in fact I am town and I do scumread Jamie. But you're voting for me, and usually votes are reserved for people that we haven't logically deduced are town.

[Hamilton Brian]

The 6/4/1 vote is not too interesting. I think the movement over the last 20 minutes might be more meaningful. What might we be able to draw from the movement all around Damo, Jamie, and myself?

I am also interested in the case that HR is trying to build on me, based on a perceived difference from previous games. And kgray and summit are following suit. So obviously I am not lending myself to being obv-town, so ask away. Let me help you clear it up.

Meanwhile...we can't even make use of Damo's chats to come to a suspect.

[Hamilton Brian]

RDR, Jamie became lead wagon in the 6th minute. Your vote then shifted it to create the tie. Why did you decide to move your vote at that point? Why would you not have wanted to wait for more time to expire?

Would you be surprised if you were called out for potentially fostering suspicion around and RDR-Jamie scum team and you were ensuring your partner is safe?

What I find more damning is HR's move off of Jamie. The dynamic between the two of you is something I need to see in a different light.