MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

Also... I am beginning to think our last 2 PRs claiming may not be as bad of an idea to narrow this down by a lot...

I do not think that is necessary, as long as they are able to claim if they are at risk of getting day killed. The last mafia will have to kill the clears at some point to have a chance to win, claiming will just make that easier for them, especially if the 3P is hit with the DK or NK soon.

[worcej]

Pretty sure no one else is in the mood for this, but I am okay with a ##end to speed this shit up.

[summit_fever]

Hamilton wouldn't do something like this, would he?

Like I just said - the scum are PR hunting now to prevent them getting detected.

Fair enough. Can you point out why people might think seth was PR?

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Foxcastle

[worcej]

Also... I am beginning to think our last 2 PRs claiming may not be as bad of an idea to narrow this down by a lot...

I do not think that is necessary, as long as they are able to claim if they are at risk of getting day killed. The last mafia will have to kill the clears at some point to have a chance to win, claiming will just make that easier for them, especially if the 3P is hit with the DK or NK soon.

Yeah, I posted a response shortly after saying it isn't needed and claiming would hurt us more than anything.

[worcej]

Hamilton wouldn't do something like this, would he?

Like I just said - the scum are PR hunting now to prevent them getting detected.

Fair enough. Can you point out why people might think seth was PR?

Why do I need to do that? Just think it through:

Why did the scum not kill the mechanically clear damo who is a clear? By keeping him around and killing seth, they make the chance of them being found higher.

[bozotheclown]

Also... I am beginning to think our last 2 PRs claiming may not be as bad of an idea to narrow this down by a lot...

And the more I think, nevermind actually. The seth kill makes me think they are not trying to win, they just want to possibly make the town lose to a witch.

We have more time if PRs stay hidden.

Why would the last mafia not try to win?

[Durga]

Hey, happy to kill Bob because this seems like a kill he'd do. Ok with ending on Bob, rdr or bozo tbh. I'll need more convincing on fox.

Worcej, I do not think anyone on the scum team (other than maybe you) who is in this game would be so spiteful as to play for town loss vs their own win. So I really think this kill only makes sense as PR hunting. Glad our PR's are so well hidden, although I think I have a good idea of the remaining two so I'm hoping 3p is not witch.

[summit_fever]

Hey, happy to kill Bob because this seems like a kill he'd do. Ok with ending on Bob, rdr or bozo tbh. I'll need more convincing on fox.

Worcej, I do not think anyone on the scum team (other than maybe you) who is in this game would be so spiteful as to play for town loss vs their own win. So I really think this kill only makes sense as PR hunting. Glad our PR's are so well hidden, although I think I have a good idea of the remaining two so I'm hoping 3p is not witch.

Woah, bozo?

[worcej]

Also... I am beginning to think our last 2 PRs claiming may not be as bad of an idea to narrow this down by a lot...

And the more I think, nevermind actually. The seth kill makes me think they are not trying to win, they just want to possibly make the town lose to a witch.

We have more time if PRs stay hidden.

Why would the last mafia not try to win?

I'll respond with a question myself: Why did they not kill damo?

[worcej]

Hey, happy to kill Bob because this seems like a kill he'd do. Ok with ending on Bob, rdr or bozo tbh. I'll need more convincing on fox.

Worcej, I do not think anyone on the scum team (other than maybe you) who is in this game would be so spiteful as to play for town loss vs their own win. So I really think this kill only makes sense as PR hunting. Glad our PR's are so well hidden, although I think I have a good idea of the remaining two so I'm hoping 3p is not witch.

Seems like a bad idea to hunt when a clear is available to be killed... but you're theory/opinion is most likely the correct one.

And yeah, I am 100% spiteful. If I was scum and knew I would lose, I would for sure try to get the 3P the win over the town.

[damo666]

Wow. I'm confused

[summit_fever]

And the more I think, nevermind actually. The seth kill makes me think they are not trying to win, they just want to possibly make the town lose to a witch.

We have more time if PRs stay hidden.

Why would the last mafia not try to win?

I'll respond with a question myself: Why did they not kill damo?

I see Damo as a double-edged sword for mafia. He is a guarantee that mafia can't lose to the 3P, and he is a VT.

Maybe some wifom with his scum chart? Wasn't seth on that thing too? Why narrow down Damo's chart if scum is actually on it?

[Durga]

Hey, happy to kill Bob because this seems like a kill he'd do. Ok with ending on Bob, rdr or bozo tbh. I'll need more convincing on fox.

Worcej, I do not think anyone on the scum team (other than maybe you) who is in this game would be so spiteful as to play for town loss vs their own win. So I really think this kill only makes sense as PR hunting. Glad our PR's are so well hidden, although I think I have a good idea of the remaining two so I'm hoping 3p is not witch.

Woah, bozo?

Yep. If we wanna go for 3p kill I agree with bosux that he's the best candidate.

Although, you... You would be an incredible 3p candidate. But that'll be easier to figure out once the last scum is dead. So I would not daykill you before then

[summit_fever]

Hey, happy to kill Bob because this seems like a kill he'd do. Ok with ending on Bob, rdr or bozo tbh. I'll need more convincing on fox.

Worcej, I do not think anyone on the scum team (other than maybe you) who is in this game would be so spiteful as to play for town loss vs their own win. So I really think this kill only makes sense as PR hunting. Glad our PR's are so well hidden, although I think I have a good idea of the remaining two so I'm hoping 3p is not witch.

Woah, bozo?

Yep. If we wanna go for 3p kill I agree with bosux that he's the best candidate.

Although, you... You would be an incredible 3p candidate. But that'll be easier to figure out once the last scum is dead. So I would not daykill you before then

Yup. When we kill mafia and have our PR's claim kill me all you want. I don't think we should hit bozo today if the only reason is because he might be third party. i'd rather hit bob than do that.

[bozotheclown]

If I am right about Foxcastle, seth was probably killed because he could have been a PR and because of this:

Fox why didn't ghug or sarah/chaqa make this list on either side when all the other active players (and even yoyo) made the list? Especially since you and ghug had already had several interactions? This is from page 48.

Well, Chaqa wasn't around yet, so you can stop implying that somehow I left him out. Sarah had done nothing at all, so not mentioning her was because there was nothing to mention.

And I don't have a good answer on ghug. I don't like interacting with him, I find him hard to read. Obviously, you're gunning for a scumread on me, so ask yourself: if I were ghug's teammate, would I have left him off so conspicuously?

I think it is funny that you are so touchy about me asking you a question about your reads. Also, I was just identifying the sarah/chaqa slot. I wasn't saying anything about you specifically leaving chaqa out since he wasn't in the game so not sure why you are talking about that instead of answering the question.

You had already read ghug in a previous post and had actually said on page 25;

"Ghug is on my list because I have a hard time reading him (even having just been scum with him), and something says I want to scumread him; while I don't think Vecna is scum, if I'm wrong about that, ghug and Vecna could be scum together and done a cutesy little dance for us all a few pages back. So Worcej gets an explanation because I can point to a general change in behavior; ghug doesn't get an explanation because it's just a gut reaction."

I just thought it was interesting he was on your list toward middle of day 1 when no one was pressuring him and then notably absent from your list after he was one of the people on the bunny wagon that flipped town.

I am fine to continue voting for Durga. I think too-cool-for-school Durga (e.g., not reading the setup, not reading the thread, etc) is somewhat scum indicative.

We should not be policy killing SarahK at this point. Day 1 is too important for that, we need a referendum on an actual player who might be scum.

I would potentially vote for Worcej or Ghug over Durga at this point, though. I think Worcej is playing too nicely. Bozo is obviously town to me—he's focusing way too much on small inconsistencies, so he will probably end up tunneling on a townie.

Here is why I am confused fox, you say here you would potentially vote for ghug or worcej. This is on page 25 before ghug is one of the players on the bunny wagon, which could theoretically have been more suspicious than he was at this point? Then you ignore him pretty much from this point on. Just doesn't add up to me.

Sorry last post about it just had to complete the thought.

[summit_fever]

Why would the last mafia not try to win?

I'll respond with a question myself: Why did they not kill damo?

I see Damo as a double-edged sword for mafia. He is a guarantee that mafia can't lose to the 3P, and he is a VT.

Maybe some wifom with his scum chart? Wasn't seth on that thing too? Why narrow down Damo's chart if scum is actually on it?

Argh.. It's just easier if I leave out the qualifiers. I still believe we're dealing with either PR.

[Durga]

Theoretically the cop should have a fair amount of scans by now... But I'll leave it to them to decide if they want to claim. I don't think it's game over if they do but god knows.

I think I'd also keep damo alive if I was scum so that's not surprising. I'd actually probably have killed me just so the game volume would go down like 50 percent but hey, guess I can keep preaching and prodding.

[bozotheclown]

And the more I think, nevermind actually. The seth kill makes me think they are not trying to win, they just want to possibly make the town lose to a witch.

We have more time if PRs stay hidden.

Why would the last mafia not try to win?

I'll respond with a question myself: Why did they not kill damo?

damo's power is used, the other PRs are more of a threat.

[Durga]

@bozo

I know and that was my first thought too because fox actually mentioned that he thought he found a PR that subsequently cleared rdr. But like... Would he say that and then make that kill? I'm sorry but that's just... Agh. I think it's more likely someone like Bob trying to be smarter than they are.

Why does scum!fox mention finding a PR and then kills Seth instead of just roleblocking. Noooo I can't believe he can be that dumb. No way. He's had a lot of experience as scum...

Anyway who got rb'd? Tr again?