MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

Ah, sorry, I see now.

Would you do that?

Are you asking if I'd bus my last teammate bo?

yes

[TrPrado]

This wouldn't be the first time fox has watched bo and ghug die and come back for the win. Except he's so scum read here that it would be super short sighted that I'm not willing to consider that possibility quite yet. Especially since we still have an investigative power alive.

Yes, and in the game, M33, Foxcastle bussed his only remaining teammate on D8.

This doesn't feel like d8 to me. How many miskills would he even need to win? It's a little insane.

Including 3P, the remaining Mafia member needs 5 miskills

[damo666]

First off, bozo is 15000000% the third party. Shame I’m gonna die before I get a chance to really dig into that one, but it just isn’t time to target him yet. That said, I’m confident, no need to look elsewhere.

The scumteam is probably composed of two out of rdrivera, Prado, and seth. I don’t know which two it is, but I would start with rdrivera. In fact I would kill him before you do anything else even if it seems dumb. Seth could probably come next, but he’s more of a guess than one I really read hard.

Good luck, wish I could do more.

This is interesting. Unless there was a gargantuan play cooked up we can neglect Prado. Following my theory from earlier Bo's partner is rdr, Seth, Bob or Fox. Bo suggesting we start with rdr probably gets him off the hook but I'm intrigued that he mentions seth. I suggest we concentrate on Fox, Bob and Seth and look for anything weird with ghug/Chaqa/Bo. I really am unsure what order to put these 3 (Fox, Bob, Seth) in.

Oh and 3p could be anyone left but me!

[bozotheclown]

In previous games, Worcej has been acerbic and hostile, even agreeing that he's playing like an asshole. In those games, he's been town. In a recent game when he didn't play that way, he was scum who managed to make it to the win in no small part because of his newfound congeniality. It's just 20 posts so far this game, but he hasn't abused or derided anyone enough for me to think it's town-worcej.

Ghug is on my list because I have a hard time reading him (even having just been scum with him), and something says I want to scumread him; while I don't think Vecna is scum, if I'm wrong about that, ghug and Vecna could be scum together and done a cutesy little dance for us all a few pages back. So Worcej gets an explanation because I can point to a general change in behavior; ghug doesn't get an explanation because it's just a gut reaction.

I'm going to bring this post up one more time.

In M57 foxcastle was scum with bo_sox (Hellenic riot as well).

ghug was town in that game and scumread fox for big portions of it.

Fox's scumslip in M57 was a post meant for the mafia qt going to the main thread "I'd like to roleblock ghug" or something to that effect.

It's possible that scum!fox in this game made a mistake between ghug and bo_sox.

It doesn't make any sense for fox to make this mistake as town in this game. ghug wasn't some town player who might have been forgotten about, ghug was pushing on fox for days and fox's slip involved mentioning ghug.

I like this theory.

[Durga]

Seth makes sense to me as the last scum team member. So does rdr. Even Bob is possible. Anyone else would be a stretch.

[Foxcastle]

Would you do that?

Are you asking if I'd bus my last teammate bo?

yes

My guess is that my scum strategy there would have been to push Bob rather than join the Bo wagon. I hadn't scumread Bo the entire game, I would have dismissed the TrPrado 3P case and tried to keep Bo from being the lynch. But stepping back to before that, I wouldn't have let up off of Rdrivera, given the opportunity to potentially mis-kill him.

[damo666]

Seth makes sense to me as the last scum team member. So does rdr. Even Bob is possible. Anyone else would be a stretch.

Why not Fox?

I think my order is Bob Seth Fox rdr

[Hamilton Brian]

I am proud of all of you that voted for Bo. I wish I had stuck with my intuition and hadn't abandoned my ISO of Bo. There was something he said that made me wonder if he was Oliver Cromwell, but that's all moot now.

[damo666]

And it's increasingly looking like Bob or Seth.

[Foxcastle]

In previous games, Worcej has been acerbic and hostile, even agreeing that he's playing like an asshole. In those games, he's been town. In a recent game when he didn't play that way, he was scum who managed to make it to the win in no small part because of his newfound congeniality. It's just 20 posts so far this game, but he hasn't abused or derided anyone enough for me to think it's town-worcej.

Ghug is on my list because I have a hard time reading him (even having just been scum with him), and something says I want to scumread him; while I don't think Vecna is scum, if I'm wrong about that, ghug and Vecna could be scum together and done a cutesy little dance for us all a few pages back. So Worcej gets an explanation because I can point to a general change in behavior; ghug doesn't get an explanation because it's just a gut reaction.

I'm going to bring this post up one more time.

In M57 foxcastle was scum with bo_sox (Hellenic riot as well).

ghug was town in that game and scumread fox for big portions of it.

Fox's scumslip in M57 was a post meant for the mafia qt going to the main thread "I'd like to roleblock ghug" or something to that effect.

It's possible that scum!fox in this game made a mistake between ghug and bo_sox.

It doesn't make any sense for fox to make this mistake as town in this game. ghug wasn't some town player who might have been forgotten about, ghug was pushing on fox for days and fox's slip involved mentioning ghug.

I like this theory.

I don't even understand what this theory is, because my current parse is "Foxcastle, who has been playing with Ghug and Bo for 3 years and 20 games, somehow suddenly can't tell them apart."

[Durga]

Seth makes sense to me as the last scum team member. So does rdr. Even Bob is possible. Anyone else would be a stretch.

Why not Fox?

I think my order is Bob Seth Fox rdr

For exactly the reasons fox presented above your post. Fox was second on the bo wagon IIRC. He's not that dumb. This is my take. I'm gonna die on this hill even if I develop trust issues after this game ends.

[Durga]

Also I thought at the time it was hella townie of Fox to take pressure off of rdr like that, and that move only made sense in my head as scum if they both were, which obv wasn't the case.

[TrPrado]

I liked Fox's D4 quite a bit. I had questions about the way he was pushing worcej but the way he answered gave me a very towny vibe from him. Durga, Fox, damo, summit, and worcej are all very safely town imo

[bozotheclown]

I'm going to bring this post up one more time.

In M57 foxcastle was scum with bo_sox (Hellenic riot as well).

ghug was town in that game and scumread fox for big portions of it.

Fox's scumslip in M57 was a post meant for the mafia qt going to the main thread "I'd like to roleblock ghug" or something to that effect.

It's possible that scum!fox in this game made a mistake between ghug and bo_sox.

It doesn't make any sense for fox to make this mistake as town in this game. ghug wasn't some town player who might have been forgotten about, ghug was pushing on fox for days and fox's slip involved mentioning ghug.

I like this theory.

I don't even understand what this theory is, because my current parse is "Foxcastle, who has been playing with Ghug and Bo for 3 years and 20 games, somehow suddenly can't tell them apart."

You said you had just been scum with ghug, which was not accurate.

[summit_fever]

I'm going to bring this post up one more time.

In M57 foxcastle was scum with bo_sox (Hellenic riot as well).

ghug was town in that game and scumread fox for big portions of it.

Fox's scumslip in M57 was a post meant for the mafia qt going to the main thread "I'd like to roleblock ghug" or something to that effect.

It's possible that scum!fox in this game made a mistake between ghug and bo_sox.

It doesn't make any sense for fox to make this mistake as town in this game. ghug wasn't some town player who might have been forgotten about, ghug was pushing on fox for days and fox's slip involved mentioning ghug.

I like this theory.

I don't even understand what this theory is, because my current parse is "Foxcastle, who has been playing with Ghug and Bo for 3 years and 20 games, somehow suddenly can't tell them apart."

My concerns don't lie with your understanding of my theory.

As for bussing. I know foxcastle likes to bus. I also know in M57 foxcastle mentioned making efforts to not bus as much.

The prado paper would be concerning to Bo's last teammate. People were taking it seriously, and that means bo is likely to go down at some point.. It makes sense to bus bo if you don't think he has any hope of surviving the 3p theories. So maybe foxcastle did. And early.

[Foxcastle]

I like this theory.

I don't even understand what this theory is, because my current parse is "Foxcastle, who has been playing with Ghug and Bo for 3 years and 20 games, somehow suddenly can't tell them apart."

My concerns don't lie with your understanding of my theory.

As for bussing. I know foxcastle likes to bus. I also know in M57 foxcastle mentioned making efforts to not bus as much.

The prado paper would be concerning to Bo's last teammate. People were taking it seriously, and that means bo is likely to go down at some point.. It makes sense to bus bo if you don't think he has any hope of surviving the 3p theories. So maybe foxcastle did. And early.

"My concerns don't lie with your understanding of my theory."

This is just rude.

[damo666]

I hope the remaining goon has the sense to not NK me but I suspect this is my last night.

Vote Bob D5 and Seth D6.

Hopefully game will be over. At the very least Mafia should be gone*. If 3p still alive I would try HB D7. After that if the game is still going you'll just have to guess.

* If there is a goon still alive it would have to be rdr but I'd be surprised.

[bozotheclown]

I like this theory.

I don't even understand what this theory is, because my current parse is "Foxcastle, who has been playing with Ghug and Bo for 3 years and 20 games, somehow suddenly can't tell them apart."

My concerns don't lie with your understanding of my theory.

As for bussing. I know foxcastle likes to bus. I also know in M57 foxcastle mentioned making efforts to not bus as much.

The prado paper would be concerning to Bo's last teammate. People were taking it seriously, and that means bo is likely to go down at some point.. It makes sense to bus bo if you don't think he has any hope of surviving the 3p theories. So maybe foxcastle did. And early.

Another good point.

[Foxcastle]

These kind of crackpot theories are why town loses so often, BTW.

[Durga]

I hope the remaining goon has the sense to not NK me but I suspect this is my last night.

Vote Bob D5 and Seth D6.

Hopefully game will be over. At the very least Mafia should be gone*. If 3p still alive I would try HB D7. After that if the game is still going you'll just have to guess.

* If there is a goon still alive it would have to be rdr but I'd be surprised.

this is exactly my train of thought