MAFIA XXXVI: ODDJOB'S REVENGE

[Chaqa]

I'm reading. I just don't have any super strong thoughts yet. I'm trying to make sense of Ike's whole deal right now. I'll be able to help more when we have a few days of info to work with.

[Telamor]

I'm confused. If Ike has claimed a PR but for some reason the Maf didn't either kill or RB him why are we lynching Snowy?

[RagingIke297]

awfully awkward wording don't you think
"I maintain my claim that I am PR"
really makes you think

How would you have liked me to word it Snowy?
What does it make you think about?

This was a good observation by Snowy, and I am glad to see Snowy has decided to participate. The point, Ike, is that you didn't say "Yes I am PR" or similar. Instead, you said "I maintain my <b> claim </b> that I am PR". Rather than confidently presenting your PR status as fact, you refer to it as a claim. This is a distinction that may not occur to someone if they were lying.

I shared your theory...

...My theory was that Ike was cop who scanned ghug. Thats obviously not the case.

That was not the same theory as I had. My theory was that we might have been looking at scum RagingIke trying to make it look like he was begging for assistance from (town) Ghug, in order to frame Ghug as scum if and when he (Ike) flipped scum.

That theory is now unlikely given Ike's response.

Can I take the list of the players who have claimed they are PR?

I do not think you are wise to ask for that information. There is only one outright claim, which is Ike.


@RagingIke: Thank you for your answers so far. Could I ask you, what first caused you to think that Ghug is scum?


And finally for this long post, ##VOTE EZIO

Earlier I stated that I thought Ghug was scum because he noticed me playing differently, pointed it out and tried to get me killed for it. It's on page 33

@Ghug, You've played in every game I have as far as I can remember. I think that you figured out that I was a PR mid D1. You know how I normally play and you saw the difference. You said something along the lines of Is Ike normally this much of a try hard? I think that you used that to make me look like scum and took advantage of the fact that people will just sheep your vote so you could get me lynched and wouldn't have to spend the NK bullet

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Also, in my mind there is no difference between me saying I maintain I am a PR or I maintain my claim that I am a PR. I can end all of the rest of my posts by saying "I'm a PR, you should believe me" but that wouldn't change the fact that I am a claimant until proven otherwise. I've been trying to see things from everyone else's point of view because mine is unique, apologies if that causes confusion

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm confused. If Ike has claimed a PR but for some reason the Maf didn't either kill or RB him why are we lynching Snowy?

Ezio is currently scheduled to be lynched.

[peterlund]

I'm confused. If Ike has claimed a PR but for some reason the Maf didn't either kill or RB him why are we lynching Snowy?

@Telamor, that is why we should lynch Balki. It was an obvious setup by the scum team to let Balki claim RB after the first night. Join me on Balki!

[TrPrado]

I'm confused. If Ike has claimed a PR but for some reason the Maf didn't either kill or RB him why are we lynching Snowy?

Ezio is currently scheduled to be lynched.

Which raises the question why we’re killing Ezio?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Peterlund: It appears to me that your case against Balki is largely based on the fact that Xorxes was scumreading Balki.

Xorxes also scumread you, Telamor, and Rdrivera. Do you think he was right on them too?

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm confused. If Ike has claimed a PR but for some reason the Maf didn't either kill or RB him why are we lynching Snowy?

Ezio is currently scheduled to be lynched.

Which raises the question why we’re killing Ezio?

Lynching him is our only option, because there are no guns available.

[peterlund]

@Peterlund: It appears to me that your case against Balki is largely based on the fact that Xorxes was scumreading Balki.

Xorxes also scumread you, Telamor, and Rdrivera. Do you think he was right on them too?

Jamie. It was not I, Tela or Rdriv that claimed RBed!
Have you already forgotten that it was Balki that claimed RBed?

To spell it out for you: that is why I only was looking for connections between Xorxes and Balki, and not between Xorxes and any other person in this game.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why does his RB claim prove that he is scum?

What if he is town, and was roleblocked?

Why is that impossible?

[yavuzovic]

(a quick read... and out the door... but did Yavu just tie, rescuing Snowy? I suppose it is too early to really have this as a result, but wanted to note it for later.)

I haven't read the thread yet and I don't have anything to think snowy is scum. When people don't join your wagon, you can't tell they're rescuing someone. Instead, I told you I may change the vote and this means if I find snowy guilty, I will vote him. But I have only posting statistics and votes to claim now. That's why I don't want to tell my reads now.

[peterlund]

Why does his RB claim prove that he is scum?

What if he is town, and was roleblocked?

Why is that impossible?

Jamie. Obviously nothing can be "proved" as you put it. I only have a theory that I think is the most likely. I have already explained my reasoning in a very extensive format today and I am not planning to retype it all for you once more. Please read it at this link http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... d2-42&g=36 and if you disagree with or have questions about something, please come back to me with further feed-back.

My change over to my current theory started "Day-2 36:09 page 38". Before that I believed what scum wanted me to believe which I now consider to be false...

[TrPrado]

Ezio is currently scheduled to be lynched.

Which raises the question why we’re killing Ezio?

Lynching him is our only option, because there are no guns available.

Okay that doesn’t answer my question as to WHY

[Jamiet99uk]

@Peterlund: I've read it, and now I've read it again. It looks very weak to me.

[DemonRHK]

@tham - Signifigantly, I’d say half on misunderstanding the vote situation and half getting steeped by snowy.

@yavu - Last page you tried to walk through reasoning around the roleblock, yet on this page you claim you haven’t read, and previous to all that you said you weren’t going to read anything you missed. Which is it?

@Ike - Come down off the ducking cross if you are town and help. If you really are PR throwing a temper tantrum and borderline refusing to play helps no one.

@Jamie - Based off of N1, what is your general opinion of the exp and skill level of the scum team, based off what we know/don’t know?

@teacher - same question as above.

@stressed - If you have to pick a scumteam of five, right now, who is it?

@Telamor - same question.

[peterlund]

@Peterlund: I've read it, and now I've read it again. It looks very weak to me.

Ok I understand, no problem!

But please promise me to remember my "Balki is scum" theory if I get NKed N2, OK?

[peterlund]

BY THE WAY!! Have everyone noticed how SILENT Balki has become after I launched my "Balki is scum" theory. Is he hoping that this will blow over soon perhaps?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie - Based off of N1, what is your general opinion of the exp and skill level of the scum team, based off what we know/don’t know?

Uh, how do you expect me to express an opinion based on things we don't know?

[RagingIke297]

@Ike - Come down off the ducking cross if you are town and help. If you really are PR throwing a temper tantrum and borderline refusing to play helps no one.

Kinda confused at the recent hostility at me from some people, I've said i'll be talking and I have been, I said I would say who I would be voting for and I have, I've said I'll do reads in a couple hours which hasn't happened yet because I'm at work and its not going to take 2 minutes.

Not sure how I'm throwing a temper tantrum and refusing to play, if you could explain RHK that would be super.

[Jamiet99uk]

I have suspicions about Ike but I cannot see how he is throwing a tantrum. He has been quite calm and answered the questions being fired at him.