MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Durga]

Pls don’t mod kill it wrecks the game

[damo666]

Rereading EMC, his approach has been pretty...meh. No cases, but for a couple speculations around flipping Bob and Worcej. The only thing that sticks out to make me think he’s not scum is that I’d expect them to be in here mixing shit up and confusing us.

##Vote EMC

There’s the new wagon Fox was asking for.

RDR, why do you have a bad feeling, and why are you suggesting Bob?

EMC? EMC?

[damo666]

Is UNVOTE valid anymore?

Anyway, I'm going to stick it on ##VOTE SUMMIT

Oh good grief.

[Durga]

Alright damo, time to prove your worth and take the lead as town clear.

[Jamiet99uk]

##call gm - do you need a sub? I should be able to bully someone into doing it

I have reached out to one potential sub. If EMC does not show up I will remove him, but I will not modkill the slot immediately if a sub is available. If you know someone who is keen to sub in, please ask them to PM me. Thanks.

[damo666]

Yeah, I will try to figure out who to vote for this afternoon. Have some work stuff this morning, but I have changed my mind on Rdrivera.

##UNVOTE

What?????????? Are you just trying to confuse me now?????? SUMMIT???

It's not Rdrivera, and I'm also backing off TrPrado because of his big case on Bo, but that's obviously something that any alignment could have done.

Why is it not rdrivera?

[Foxcastle]

What?????????? Are you just trying to confuse me now?????? SUMMIT???

It's not Rdrivera, and I'm also backing off TrPrado because of his big case on Bo, but that's obviously something that any alignment could have done.

Expand on the first bit

I mean, as I was looking through things this morning, I had an insight that makes me think Rdrivera is not scum.

[damo666]

Alright damo, time to prove your worth and take the lead as town clear.

I've said what I want. We should kill rdr and in the unlikely event he flips town Bob is a near certainty.

I don't really understand voting outside these two.

rdr preferable to Bob in case Bob is warlock pick.

Unless Fox has something brilliant on why it's not rdr that is where we should be.

(Could it be Fox and rdr? That would be funny).

[damo666]

It's not Rdrivera, and I'm also backing off TrPrado because of his big case on Bo, but that's obviously something that any alignment could have done.

Expand on the first bit

I mean, as I was looking through things this morning, I had an insight that makes me think Rdrivera is not scum.

can you share?

[Durga]

Alright damo, time to prove your worth and take the lead as town clear.

I've said what I want. We should kill rdr and in the unlikely event he flips town Bob is a near certainty.

I don't really understand voting outside these two.

rdr preferable to Bob in case Bob is warlock pick.

Unless Fox has something brilliant on why it's not rdr that is where we should be.

(Could it be Fox and rdr? That would be funny).

Do you think we're discounting bozo too quickly? He does seem pretty cocky


@ fox - I need to hear more about that insight if you have any hope of convincing me

[worcej]

Caught up. Opinions unchanged

don't stop posting you're clear

I gave up on asking damo to lead when he is a clear.

He isn't a high content poster and that's just who he is.

[damo666]

@durga I don't see anything scummy about Bozo. He seems to e playing his natural town game.

[worcej]

It amazes me that some people actively contemplate posting limits with respect to themselves.

Where I stand now is that I don't really want to kill Durga or Yoyo. The former seems generally townie and is suspicious of me in a way I noticed she wasn't in the last game as scum and I should have pushed more on. I was buying the "Yoyo seems cagey" thing, but he made that really dumb post attacking Durga last night, and I think rabid stupidity is more of a town Yoyo thing. I still like the bunny kill. Bismarck is fine, I guess, but I honestly have no idea why anyone is voting for him.

Other townreads are foxy and damo. I want to townread Vecna but I'm remembering more and more that he's usually scum when I do that. The rest of you are kinda useless.

It's really funny to me that my joke about the lie detector role got so much more attention than the huge amounts of conversation between durga and ghug. Ghug consistently labels durga as town and durga consistently has the reaction "Oh wow you're scum this time aren't you" I don't think it is likely but I think it is possible they were putting on a huge act for us with the plan that durga would eventually make a huge push to buss ghug for townpoints. Obviously the hypothetical plan would have been ruined by damo hitting with the desperado role. And yes I know she called for investigative powers on him but there was only a 1/3 chance the cop existed, if it was the bloodhound it is possible that ghug wasn't the one carrying out the kills so he could have been clean, maybe a risk they were willing to take? Once again not likely but something we should keep in mind going forward. Durga's her voting analysis is so super clean so it doesn't support this either.

All things considered durga is most likely town. Seems way too risky to pull off but it is something to keep in the back of our minds.

Wow. It's almost refreshing to see someone land at a similar conclusion I've had, only a few phases later than I already had...

[worcej]

Hey Seth, why have you not put down a vote yet

Also emc has not posted at all.

Are you even shocked by this anymore?

[damo666]

@durga I don't see anything scummy about Bozo. He seems to e playing his natural town game.

His D2 vote timing is highly unscummy

[rdrivera2005]

The issue around voting for Bob is the conflict with Bo_ dropping the vote on him in conjunction with TrP's elaborate case about Bo_ being the warlock.

Need to look thoroughly and see if voting Bob leads to a win condition if indeed the warlock is in play. If it's affirmative, then Bob would be an unwise vote.

Warlock could have guessed only Chaqa right, and it's really unlikely. But even if he guessed right he can't win today.

[rdrivera2005]

Alright damo, time to prove your worth and take the lead as town clear.

I've said what I want. We should kill rdr and in the unlikely event he flips town Bob is a near certainty.

I don't really understand voting outside these two.

rdr preferable to Bob in case Bob is warlock pick.

Unless Fox has something brilliant on why it's not rdr that is where we should be.

(Could it be Fox and rdr? That would be funny).

Pretty unfortunate our townclear is Damo and that he has no power left, so scum might let him live longer.

[Hamilton Brian]

@durga I don't see anything scummy about Bozo. He seems to e playing his natural town game.

Is Bozo always so "matter-of-fact" with most of his posts? They're almost clinical and no "colouring outside the lines." Well-calculated?

Like this gem, and yes I am afraid I am doing some cherry-picking.

"I agree with this except for the part about me voting for Chaqa after flash's claim, which is not accurate."

Nothing to indicate how it's inaccurate, no elaboration to suggest a timeline of events. Just, "not accurate."

[worcej]

I like TrPrado's case against bo_sox, but I think it is also consistent with bo_sox jumping around among possible mis-kills as mafia.

My assessment as well - I don't believe Bo needs to be flipped atm however.

[worcej]

God, rdr has some weird interactions. He "started" thinking of ghug as scum in two separate back to back posts with completely separate reasons but literally never pushed him or asked him any questions. His difference in push on Bismarck vs Sarah is absolutely bizarre because he specifically called out Sarah as lurking and therefore deserving to be killed several hours before EOD one but his first mention of Bismarck was minutes before the deadline?

Yeah, I'm willing to ##VOTE RDRIVERA

Just to make one point clear. My reasoning on Sarah is personal, has nothing to do with she being a lurker. I believe she shouldn't be allowed to play in Mafia games as she didn't even made an effort to understand how to play and this is unfair with the others.

Going to go out on a limb: Do you feel the same way about EMC?